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2 Navy SEALs' ........
« on: January 11, 2010, 02:43:41 PM »
2 Navy SEALs' detainee abuse trials moved to Iraq
Published - Jan 11 2010 04:39PM EST
By LARRY O'DELL - Associated Press Writer



RICHMOND, Va.— Two Navy SEALs accused in the mistreatment of an Iraqi detainee should be tried at the U.S. base in Iraq where the alleged victim is being held, a military judge ruled Monday.

Cmdr. Tierney Carlos moved the trials after government prosecutors said they would make the detainee available for deposition at Camp Victory in Baghdad but would not bring him to Naval Station Norfolk to testify. The judge ruled that Petty Officer 2nd Class Jonathan Keefe of Yorktown, Va., and Petty Officer 1st Class Julio Huertas of Blue Island, Ill., have a right to face their accuser in open court.

A hearing for a third defendant, Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe of Perrysburg, Ohio, is tentatively set for Wednesday before a different judge.

McCabe is accused of punching Ahmed Hashim Abed, the suspected mastermind of a 2004 ambush that killed four U.S. security contractors in Fallujah. The contractors' bodies were dragged through the streets and hung from a bridge.

McCabe and the other two SEALs also are charged with dereliction of duty for failing to protect the detainee, and with lying to investigators. Huertas also is charged with impeding the investigation.

The SEALs have received an outpouring of support from people who consider them heroes for capturing Abed. Several members of Congress have asked that the charges be dropped, and more than 100,000 people have joined a Facebook page created to support the SEALs.

Huertas' attorney, Monica Lombardi, said she welcomed the judge's decision.

"We were going to have to travel there to do the deposition anyway, but the government said the witness wasn't going to be available for trial," Lombardi told The Associated Press. "The judge said, 'I'm thinking they should all be moved there.' I can see the logic in his ruling."

Military officials originally wanted to handle the case through a process known as "nonjudicial punishment," but the SEALs insisted on going to trial in an effort to clear their names and save their careers. If convicted by a six-person military jury, they could face up to a year in jail, a bad conduct discharge or loss of pay.

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Re: 2 Navy SEALs' ........
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2010, 05:57:18 PM »
Sad dont you think, that if you punch a scumbag, you get trumped up on charges.  I know exactly how they feel.  Had I known in the past what I know now, I would have went their route as well.

I support their actions fully.

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Re: 2 Navy SEALs' ........
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2010, 06:15:27 PM »
Sadly enough this is a trait for the Navy and the Marine Corp... they give you a set of rules and you follow them.    only to be trumped up on a charge because of doing said job.  Its a War for heavens sake.  They caught a person responsible for a cruel and vicious act.

They have my support in full.

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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2010, 06:33:50 PM »
I asked my son what he thought of this development, and he showed his full Marine vocabulary.  I agreed, and surprised him with my 'Lawyeress' vocabulary...and my anger was directed at the assholes who are prosecuting those heros.  We are surely doomed, as a Nation, when we turn on those who risk their lives to protect us.  May God place those who are prosecuting those fine men into a special place in Hell.  And may those, above them, who are pressing the charges, (and I include the Commander in Chief), share their accommodations.

I am sorry if I have offended anyone, but that is how I feel.

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2010, 06:40:19 PM »
I would be up on charges if it were me...


"OOOOPS... shot trying to escape Sir. Tried to drag the body in for identification but to much happening. Hanged his body from a bridge strictly for ID purposes Sir."


These Men should be given medals. Those pushing the charges should be hanged for treason in aiding the enemy.

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2010, 05:48:03 PM »
I really believe that we are doomed, as a Nation.

At our last Blue Star Mom's meeting, we had a young soldier visit with us.  He was a Sniper, and was home for a while from Afghanistan.  He had earned another combat medal, which occurred when his patrol was ambushed.  They abandoned their vehicles, and crouched behind them.  According to the new ROE's, they radioed in, discussed what what happening, and then were GIVEN PERMISSION to return fire!  They split up into teams, flanked the bastards, and soon took them out. 

I have heard that another one of our heros, an Army Ranger, has been imprisoned for killing a terrorist.  I am going to look into that one, apparently the Court Martial excluded witnesses and experts that would have shown that the Prosecutions case didn't make sense.  The family of the solder paid out 200K in defense costs, out of their own money...but the Government has unlimited funds.  Why would anyone volunteer to defend our Country, these days?

Things have really turned upside down.

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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2010, 06:04:29 PM »
This is the price for an unearned Peace Prize.

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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2010, 09:09:34 AM »
Being SpecOps Soldier myself, these "efforts" at peace are a slap in the face to those of us that have trained to become America's Elite fighting force.  Sure when I went to Sniper School, as part of my Ranger Recon unit, we would have to call in our target acquisition and wait for the go ahead when we had a clear shot but still, when fired upon, you return fire, regardless. 

Retards.  That is what politics are full of.  Wetauded.

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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2010, 01:40:16 PM »
Retards.  That is what politics are full of.  Wetauded.

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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2010, 08:20:36 AM »
"Despite the exoneration of Navy SEALs Julio Huertas and Jonathan Keefe in separate trials in Camp Victory in Iraq last week, and despite calls from the public for the dropping of charges against Matthew McCabe, there have been no signs that something of that sort will happen before Monday."

http://blog.usnavyseals.com/2010/04/support-rallies-for-navy-seal-matthew-mccabe-still-on.html

2 Down, one more to go...

Let's keep them in our prayers

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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2010, 09:46:57 AM »
Always!

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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2010, 08:50:55 PM »
Oh yeah!!!

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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2010, 12:25:16 PM »
Prosecution Rests in Navy SEAL Matthew McCabe’s Court Martial
May 5, 2010 - 3:04 PM | by: Steve Centanni

NORFOLK -The prosecution has rested its case in the military trial of 24 year old Matthew McCabe, the Navy SEAL accused of assaulting a suspected terrorist he had helped capture last September in Iraq. Ahmed Hashim Abed, accused of killing four american contractors in Fallujah six years ago, claims he was beaten while in the custody of McCabe and two other Navy SEALs.

Earlier, as prosecutors called their witnesses, Navy Petty Officer Third Class Kevin Demartino, who is not a SEAL, testified that he saw McCabe deliver a "right punch to the chest" of his detainee.

Demartino was in charge of the detention facility where the disputed incident occurred, and was responsible for the prisoner's safety. He testified that after he witnessed the assault, three Navy SEALs left the detainee's cell. Demartino says Abed had fallen from his chair to the floor and there was blood coming from under the prisoner's hood.

A Navy commander who was in charge of all American forces in Fallujah at the time, also testified today. He says he noticed Abed's bloodied mouth the next morning and asked Demartino what had happened, but didn't get an answer.

Asked on cross examination why he said nothing at first about the alleged assault, he told the court "I had a choice of being in good graces with the Navy SEALs or being in good graces with God." Demartino admits he's guilty of dereliction of duty for not immediately reporting what he saw.

Abed is the alleged mastermind of the grisly attack on four Blackwater contractors who were ambushed and killed in Fallujah, Iraq in 2004. Their bodies were burned and dragged through the streets as crowds cheered. Two of the bodies were hanged from a bridge over the Euphrates River.

This is the second day of testimony in the case of McCabe, the Navy SEAL from Perrysberg, Ohio. A seven member jury is hearing the case, presided over by a Judge Advocate General, Captain Moira Modelewski. Two other SEALs faced trial in Baghdad and were found not guilty last month. Demartino gave the same testimony in those earlier trials.

Abed's taped testimony was heard in open court Tuesday. He said he was handcuffed and blindfolded and placed on a chair in the holding cell. He claims he was hit on the back and shoulders and knocked to the floor. He says he was kicked in the stomach and sworn at while he was down. But he says he could only see one person's feet and legs from under his hood and cannot identify his assailant.

The defense claims Al Qaeda detainees are trained to claim abuse and that Abed caused his own lip to bleed.

Abed testified in person during the previous two trials, but the defense in this case declined the opportunity to confront the accuser in court. If McCabe's lawyers had wanted Abed to testify in person, the trial would have been held in Iraq, where Abed remains a prisoner of the Iraqi government.

In his testimony Wednesday, Petty Officer Demartino said two of the Navy SEALs in the holding cell at the time of the alleged assault basically told him not to worry about any injuries to Abed. On the witness stand, Demartino says he was told by Pettty Officer 2nd Class Jonathan Keefe, "Don't feel bad for this guy." And, according to Demartino, Petty Officer 1st Class Julio Huertas said, "He's killed Americans." Keefe and Huertas are the two SEALs earlier acquitted in this case.

http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/05/05/prosecution-rests-in-navy-seal-matthew-mccabes-court-martial/?test=latestnews

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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2010, 05:35:06 PM »
By Kate Wiltrout
The Virginian-Pilot
© May 5, 2010
NORFOLK


Lt. Nicholas Kadlec opened the government's case against Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe by reciting a few lines from the Navy SEAL creed.

"The ability to control my emotions and my actions, regardless of circumstance, sets me apart from other men."

"Uncompromising integrity is my standard."

"I am always ready to defend those who are unable to defend themselves."

McCabe failed to live up to those standards last September, Kadlec said, when he punched a handcuffed, hooded Iraqi detainee and let him lie bleeding on the floor shortly after his capture.

The 24-year-old sailor, a member of SEAL Team 10 at Joint Expeditionary Base Little Creek in Virginia Beach, is being court-martialed on three misdemeanor charges: assaulting alleged Iraqi terrorist Ahmed Hashim Abed, failing to protect him, and lying to investigators.

McCabe pleaded not guilty to all charges. If convicted, he could face a bad-conduct discharge and a year in jail.

"This starts as a story you don't want to believe, and it becomes a story you have to believe," Kadlec said during opening arguments Tuesday. The prosecutor urged the seven-member jury - composed of three enlisted sailors and four officers - to find the "moral courage" to hold a decorated Navy SEAL accountable.

Neal Puckett, one of McCabe's defense lawyers, painted a very different picture of what occurred Sept. 1 after SEALs helped Iraqi police arrest Abed, whom he called "this terrorist, this insurgent, this mass murderer."

Abed is thought to have helped organize the murder of four American contractors in Fallujah in 2004. He's also been described as someone who recruited insurgents and helped finance and set up homemade bombs.

Puckett told jurors there will not be any scientific evidence linking McCabe to Abed's alleged injuries, and noted that Abed could not identify his attacker because he was blindfolded.

Some of the evidence prosecutors will present to show Abed's injuries, including a photo of the inside of his bruised lip, has a more reasonable explanation, Puckett said: a canker sore that the detainee chewed on in order to bloody his clothes and make it appear that he'd been hit.

By the end of the trial, which is expected to last at least two more days, the defense will have exceeded the standard of reasonable doubt required for the jury to acquit McCabe of the charges, Puckett said. "You're going to truly believe he's innocent - because he is."

Abed will not testify. But Tuesday afternoon, the jury listened to a recording of his deposition last month in Iraq.

At that proceeding, Abed responded to questions from prosecutors and McCabe's military defense lawyers about what happened the night he was arrested.

Through a translator, Abed described being woken up inside his Fallujah home by a team of Iraqis and Americans, put on a helicopter and taken to a succession of offices at a U.S. base.

Soon after he was taken into one office and sat in a chair, Abed said, someone started hitting him. He said the force of the blows knocked him to the ground, and after he was helped to his feet, someone began kicking him.

He said the violence lasted about five minutes.

Abed denied being involved with terrorist groups and said he learned about the 2004 contractor killings - and the burning and public display of the victims' bodies - by watching television.

In response to a question about $6,000 in U.S. currency found in his home the night of his arrest, Abed said it belonged to his mother, who he claimed sold her jewelry to pay for a planned pilgrimage to Mecca.

Abed testified in two related trials last month in Iraq. Petty Officer 1st Class Julio Huertas and Petty Officer 2nd Class Jonathan Keefe, both assigned to McCabe's unit, were acquitted of failing to protect the detainee.


http://hamptonroads.com/2010/05/opening-arguments-begin-navy-seal-case

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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2010, 10:24:46 PM »
So basically he claims he was beat to shit for five minutes.

The squealer claims the SEALS punched him in the chest.

The prosecutor wishes everyone to believe that it takes about five minutes to punch a guy in the chest and that causes a bruised lip to bleed.

The defense claims he chewed his lip to make it bleed and is trained to lie about abuses.

Hell.... everyone knows a suspected murderer and terrorist would never lie or bite his lip. After all... they are murderers, but deep down are really wonderful loving people.

Uh huh.

I say give all three SEALS medals and a job "WELL DONE"!!!

Crotchpunt the prosecutor in the marbles until his own mouth bleeds.

Charge the squealer with all charges that apply including lying under oath and TREASON. Give him a nice fair trial and then a nice hanging.

Then drag the murderer through the streets, set him on fire until medium rare, then slowly saw off his head and drop it in a port-a-jon before hanging his dead corpse from the same bridge by his nuts until the critters finish dining or he rots away and falls into the river. And just to be nice guys, serve him up a nice last meal of pork roast wrapped in bacon, pickled pigs feet, with a porn magazine to read over coffee, personally guarded by a female, barefoot guard with the soles of her feet propped on the table to be less formal. That same female Soldier may be his executioner as well so he cannot claim he doesn't know her. He will be familiar enough with her by the time she grabs him by the hair and yanks back his head and begins to saw.