no lowly slaves in Tuchuk?

[kiah]

lofty-adjective from m-w.com/Merriam-Webster's online dictionary:

1 : humble in manner or spirit : free from self-assertive pride
2 : not lofty or sublime : prosaic
3 : ranking low in some hierarchy
4 : of or relating to a low social or economic rank
5 : low in the scale of biological or cultural evolution


there have been two opinions now that there are no lowly slaves in Tuchuk.

kiah is a lowly slave.

how can she not be? she is nothing but property, an animal, a Tuchuk one-yes! but no matter what training level, no matter whom owns her, no matter what adjective is used to describe her, including "lowly" *ironic laugh* she is but a slave and in remembering that, she is a lowly one

if that makes her not a Tuchuk one..~trailing off~

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[RAGNAR]

Is my kiah not proud of being a kajira... or proud of the collar she wears?

 

 

[kiah]

Master Ubar,

kiah would rather live as a kajira than a free woman or put to death, yes, and wishes to bring honor to the collar that is currently locked at her throat, but pride, no Master Ubar, pride is too strong a word, too strong a feeling, for her to use.

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[Thalia]

John Norman makes clear that there is a paradox within slavery.  As you have said, slaves are, by nature, subservient, submissive, and socially inferior; in these ways, they are indeed lowly.  However, they are also radient women-- intensely passionate, keenly intelligent, astonishingly beautiful, richly nuanced, vibrant, whole.  In that sense, there is nothing lowly about them.  Slaves are glorious creatures.  Being Tuchuks, we feel our slaves are even more so the ideal of the collared woman. 

I do believe it was this latter side of slavery to which Master Phoenix and kadi were referring.

[kadi{MTC}]

yes it was this side of slavehood that kadi was talking about, the beauty of the slave, the burning need to please, the fire that comes out in everything she does, to kadi that is not a lowly slave but a slave who is proud of what she is and wears her collar with that same pride

kadi

[kiah]

hmm...if she walked around thinking she was such wonderful thing, wouldn't that make her a free woman, minus the collar?...didn't masters (in the books) keep the slaves humble for the most part?..it still sounds too much like slaves being put upon pedestal, either by themselves, their owners, or family...but as she has told Master Ubar...maybe she just doesn't get it...maybe its her experiences before coming here...either way, she is grateful for the input..~goes to think more~

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[Thalia]

I would say that if the creator of the Gor books reveled in the glory of the slave, we as online Goreans are permitted the same.  Slaves in the books didn't seem to have self esteem issues.  If anything, they were fiercely competitive and arrogant -- among those of their own status.  Let a slave walk around like she was a collared free woman, entitled to whatever she wished because she was beautiful and desired, and she'd get the taste slapped out of her mouth.  The books made that clear, too!

As with anything, there is a balance... Walk like you know you're desired; talk like you know your place!