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Gorean Roleplay => Tuchuk Wagon Camp => MTC IC => Topic started by: CinaSinclaire on July 08, 2009, 07:07:31 AM
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Dear Tuchuk..
This first part is directed to amanda.
When we all went to get the clay and mud we had a great time good job smiles..
I think that I said during the trip that when we got back ..1 when you were done with your normal task and No Frees needed to be served ..then and Only then you and "I" would work together on the pottery..
2 when I came in last night you were working at My clan wagon with OUT my permission.. and Being that any slave needs to ask to do so or to touch a Free belongs that is why I had the issue with,,that and you having an injury that made your ribs sore bruised and painfull. and I know in r/t how hard shells can be and that crushing grinding them up is a hard job to do..
I know the night befor that you were told to see a healer about them..I did not wish to see you further your injury.. So while it was in a way cool that you know what your doing with pottery it was not cool to do so with out checking with me as to what I wished done..
2 I am abit taken back by what happend with some of the others in camp.. First I know what One can and can not do as far as punishment, I know other FW have whipped beated and punished slaves for wrong doing ..I was In no way walking down that Path with amanda,, and had I been left to deal with the problem instead of having rank pulled on Me ((YES any Free Man OF the Home has a higher place than Me )) and trust Me I am not showing any disrespect of any kind here so that is noted,,I was going to deal with it this manner...as I said to amanda as I said to Amber.. and may have said to Arlon.. My punishment was Not alowing amanda to serve me in camp not to speak to me till such time as she showed that she had come to understand that No slave touches a frees belonging with out asking and getting permission..
As to the caging.. Being that Arlon said she could not be punished that she has to be placed into a cage.. and that being said the (( Free Man Arlon said at that point in time He was the highest ranking Free Man in the room and would cage her till Ubar or Council came in.. shrugs,, ))
Then Amber came in Question me about what happend I did My best to explain that No I did not ask for the slave to be caged and I said what I felt her punishment should be,, and I had no real opinion as to should she have been caged or not,, being I said what I thought and how I wished amanda punished
Now with all this being said.. I will point out that I was told By Kelsey and I hope I am not talking out of turn here,, that if amanda did a bad serve or was not doing as she should that I was to speak up and redirect her into doing and serving as she should.. How is amanda going to learn if I stay quiet and dont give her feed back,, so last night when that all went down In My own mind I was fallowing the Instructions Of one I feel is a Mentor and should Fallow her adivice on things..Again Kelsey I hope I am not speaking out of line here..
So let me finish this with,, This is not an attack on any one I am not bad mouthing any one.. Not judging any one its Just how I see and what I think about what Happend last night..
When I can I will go back to Kelsey when she is around and get Further guidance on how I should handle these matters
Thank You
Cina
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You did as you should have with amanda to begin with.
A man stepping in a situation like that is within his rights as a man. Probably not the wisest thing to do until the full story is learned but he made an attempt to jump back into the roleplay, without looking.
Amber, being an assistant slave coordinator was trying to get the story as she is just as responsible for the slaves learning as any member of the coordinators.
What did look bad was how you answered and then it appeared you got perturbed and walked away. Know this that Amber was doing her job and trying to deal with the slave. Kelsey would do the same but would you walk away from her?
From my perspective, you did right. Just try to take a breather and understand that not everyone is trying to step on your toes.
Raz
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Cina:
Your issues with amanda were valid. Since I was not an eyewitness to what happened, I am not going to comment on what went down in the room. I do agree with Raziel that a free man can step in any time in a situation like this.
Now then, a word about punishment of camp slaves, because I think something has gotten lost here in translation. I can't find it in the pages so it may be on the laws board, but I do believe that a camp slave is not to be whipped or otherwise physically harmed (a slap doesn't count as physical harm). They are to be caged and the matter directed to the Ubar, a Council member or a member of the training team.
Cina, the punishment you imposed on amanda is perfectly fine as it did not involve any physical harm to the property of the Ubar. If it had been me, I would have done what you did and then let her know that the incident would be reported and that Ubar, Council Member or coordinator would decide if additional punishment was warranted. I have, in fact, seen several instances of this exact punishment of a slave by others. It is always your choice as to whether a slave serves you or not.
As a general note, slaves are not going to learn if we, as Free People, do not tell them when they have been displeasing. If we as Free People don't take an interest in them.
Kelsey
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Cina,
I think I have broached this subject in a private message, but I shall do so more fully here. Yes, I was within my rights as a free man of Tuchuk to step in, and at the time believed this the best course of action. Information gathered since then (and a long conversation with Amber yesterday) has led me to believe those actions may perhaps have been premature, at least in regards to my quite unintentionally stepping on your toes. Trust me, that was not my intention.
What was my intention, as I believe I mentioned to you yesterday in private message, was to teach a slave who might become a very good slave someday, that there are consequences to her actions. She touched a Free's possessions without permission; ignored repeated posts by that same Person; and was doing chores while another slave was serving and there were other Free left to be served. ( I did not, at the time, connect the PM that was posted into the room with the fact that kiah was serving at the time that the PM was sent; nor for that matter, with the fact that unless I remember improperly, it was myself she was serving, so I do not include that in the list of behaviors I was trying to correct.) It was for the combination of all these things, not entirely jsut for touching Your things without permission, that I felt she should be caged and dealt with by Council.
I do apologize to You, Cina, for not making these things clearer at the time, and to All for not having the time r/t to remain and cage amanda myself or log my reasons completely in the Cagings thread.
amanda. I see in you the potential to become an excellent slave, as once I saw the same thing in kiah. In order for this to happen however, you need to get your pretty little head out of your ass and pay attention to what people who are trying to teach you are saying. kiah did this, and look at the awesome slave she has become as a result. you have the intelligence and the skill with words, as proven by your posts in the room the other night, to be a marvelous slave, if you will apply those gifts correctly. Please do so, while Those training you still have the patience to help you correct your bad habits. I will help as I can, but I am not a trainer or Coordinator so kindly bear that in mind.
Cina, again, I was not trying to step on your toes. I simply saw a complex situation that, to Me, warranted attention from Those assigned to train the erring slave. I do again apologize to You for not explaining my reasoning to you more fully at the time; in that much, at least, I believe I was in the wrong and I am Man enough to admit this. However, I still believe I was right to have the girl caged for Amber's attention. It was simply a thing that needed to be done.
Arlon