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Title: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Yahira on January 31, 2006, 09:01:28 AM
This is being posted with consent of the Ubar..

How many of you have ever had a pet?  Perhaps you have known of someone in your lifetime who has had a pet?  Chances are, unless you reside on the moon, the answer to at least one of these questions is a resounding, "Yes!"

That, of course, leads me to another series of questions.  First of all, have you, or anyone you have ever known, had more than one pet at a time?  Have you, or any other pet owner you have ever known, ever paid attention to another pet?  This attention could be a variety of things.  Perhaps they have petted it?  Perhaps they admired that it was well trained and behaved?  Perhaps it was just a beautiful animal?  Again, my guess is that somewhere in here, you've answered "Yes" once again.

Now, there is a reason I am asking you this.  I want to remind you all of something that is often forgotten.  On gor, slaves are nothing more than pets..  animals..  belongings..  Is this always an easy concept for those behind the screens?  No.  We are, afterall, only human, and this is a foreign concept to us most of the time.  Sometimes, it is easy to bring those r/t feelings over into gor, but the fact is, r/t is not gor.

If you have your eye on a man, as much as the r/t person may want to, you do not own him.  If you have been guilty of bitching in pm or IM's to another slave for paying too much attention to a man who has a slave, you are way out of line.  If you have "warned" others about a certain man being "taken," then you, too, are out of line.  While you may mean well, it is not any of your business, and this must stop.

Now, I could fill this post with quotes, saying basically the same thing that I've just told you, but I'll hold off unless they are really needed.  I am certainly not saying that it is easy to not let those real feelings come in.  The fact is, most all of us have been guilty of it at one point or another.  However, this isn't an excuse.  The "helpful warnings" being done are not at all helpful, but rather, hurtful.  This will NOT be tolerated.

If you are having an issue with something you are seeing, bring it to the attention of the appropriate people.  Remember the following two rules, and act accordingly.

•Jealousy and possessiveness of a Master’s/Mistress's attention is not tolerated of a slave. To show jealousy, to attempt to make a Master or Mistress kow-tow to that emotion, is to attempt to become Master/Mistress and make the Master/Mistress a slave. Tacky, tacky, tacky...

•Do not correct another slave! Only trainers may correct those they train

Now, while this post has mainly pertained to slaves, as per Ubar, this also goes for free.  There have been reports of FW also telling slaves in PM or in IM's the same type of thing discussed above.  The Ubar has stated that this is "pure bullshit" and that he had better never catch someone doing this.
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Post by: familure{TD} on January 31, 2006, 09:11:43 AM
~reads Mistress' words and leaves her mark upon the wall~
yes Mistress
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: LadyMuse on January 31, 2006, 09:51:01 AM
*nods* aye


LM
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Post by: Amber on January 31, 2006, 09:53:52 AM
Aye aye Ma'am! -salutes-
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Post by: Geona on January 31, 2006, 10:06:48 AM
Geona
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Post by: kadi{MTC} on January 31, 2006, 10:12:15 AM
Yes Mistress read and understood



kadi......Tuchuks lil pouncer
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Raziel on January 31, 2006, 12:27:14 PM
You so sincerely have to love this topic.  Slaves being jealous of their Master's affections for another slave or even a FW. Even a slave that will say something like...."I couldnt bear to be in a chain"  or "I dont think I could handle it if you had a FC".  I see less jealousy of this nature in FW and more in the slave.  And Im sure, no matter the reminder, it will always happen and continue to.  And of course the jealousy of FW versus another FW over the attention of a possible courter.  Get over it.

Raz
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Dream on January 31, 2006, 12:58:22 PM
read and acknowledged Sister

JoJo
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Post by: prism {*RgR*1*} on January 31, 2006, 01:00:45 PM
*slaps her pawprint up here*
(http://webmaze.com/memberpages/prism/footprint.gif)


read, understood, signed off
woobie
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Amantha on January 31, 2006, 01:17:54 PM
aye.. understands.
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: RAGNAR on January 31, 2006, 02:15:21 PM
True...

"Get over it." does naught cut it here... naught in this situation of our online rp venue.

if one feels jealousy... then by all means.... "Get over it".

when there are those who break character in pm or another means of messaging to warn others off a particular person... NAUGHT IN TUCHUK!!! we have all come together to rp Gor for whatever reasons. some for just the rp... some for the adventure... some to become something they are naught in rt.... and some who seek to further explore what they are in rt without the restraints of rt.

were there jealousies on Gor? yes, most certainly. it was almost always a condition of a situation that had no escape much like our own rt situations. you had to deal with it and continue. in the online rp venue... it IS something that can be avoided. it will naught become an issue in our home. in this venue it is avoided by leaving our home or causing a division within it. that which harms Tuchuk will NAUGHT be tolerated!!!

we come together to rp. Tuchuk is no dating service. it is no place to be petty and stake out territory out of character. A Master will decide who serves him and a wise Master will be served by all.

if a Master is too weak to make such decisions on his own... then he is no Master.

if a Woman is naught proud enough to stand and be measured for who she is against other females... and must resort to manipulation behind the scenes... then she is unworthy of remaining free.

if a slave is unable to draw a Master's eye with her service, sensuality, devotion, charm, spirit, the fire burning within her belly, etc... and must resort to behind the scenes manipulation to attempt to accomplish what the slave should be doing openly... then they have earned no right to be viewed as la kajira in my eyes.

play the earth games elsewhere. they accomplish nothing of value in Tuchuk.

anyone so easily led by manipulation or accepting aid to gain in such ways instead of becoming what it takes to accomplish their goal is only fooling themselves into thinking they will be able to hold such station. rest assured that when one who is "real" comes along the false will be left by the wayside and forgotten.
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Lady Snickers on January 31, 2006, 02:46:09 PM
read and understood
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Post by: ice{LM/TD} on January 31, 2006, 02:50:20 PM
read and understood Mistress
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Raziel on January 31, 2006, 03:15:11 PM
Well, perhaps an indepth response is warranted in my reply of "Get over it".  True, like you said, it is directed to the feelings of jealousy, not saying that we would hold jealousy within Tuchuk, but behind the scenes it will happen.  It happens everyday and everyone of the home commits some form of it.  Some will say it is coveting, but then again, that is jealousy just sounding a bit prettier.

Council makes the attempt to intervene in all avenues of threatening whispers to stem the growing "disdain" "dislikes" or "self pity" for others.  I see many a time when a council will back another to get a point across or to explain in depth why something has taken place for others to better understand.  Yes, I am brash and even an asshole as some have already told me in PM or in IM's in my roleplay.  I make no excuses for it, I simply am.  I do not change my opinions because of said pm's and such, I simply make the attempt to explain better.  If I cannot, Im sure one of my sisters will step in and say..."Well, yes I agree, he is an asshole but that is because he cares".  You may not see it from me, but it is there.

Jealousy should never be allowed to fester and grow and run like a rash in Tuchuk.  Too many homes have fallen because of such and it happens in everyhome all through the online rp venue.  WE do strive to chase it away as best we can in every situation.  We might not catch it all, but the home should know that we do care about everyone and their feelings.

Yes, jealousy is in the books, easily read.  Jealousy is in actions, thoughts, looks and whispers.  Everyone simply needs to try better to understand what is the root of their jealousy and instead of sitting idly by and allowing it to grow, work to correct it and do better.

Everyone is unique in all things we do.  That is what makes this home better than any.  WE have support of each other and learn from each other.  No need for jealousies to be here.  AGAIN, there is no place for it in Tuchuk.  WE are better than that.

No matter its form, vt, rt, lifestyle, fantasy...jealousy is simply something that can be overcome with a little thought and understanding.

This is what entails my "Get over it" reply.  You will have to excuse me, being at work leaves me little time to be so detailed as I am now, though Im still at work. 

Raz
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Taryn on January 31, 2006, 04:21:44 PM
Read and understood..

Taryn Iona
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Post by: cat{MTC} on January 31, 2006, 04:35:20 PM
nodding  ..yes Master

cat
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Post by: Faramir on January 31, 2006, 04:36:08 PM
Acknowledged
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Post by: kelsey on January 31, 2006, 04:41:46 PM
Yes Mistress and Masters.....*s*
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Post by: Sidona on January 31, 2006, 05:44:20 PM
  Everyone simply needs to try better to understand what is the root of their jealousy and instead of sitting idly by and allowing it to grow, work to correct it and do better.

In its most basic element, jealousy is fear.

The fear of not being pleasing enough.
The fear of not being attractive enough.
The fear of simply not being "enough" for whomever - even if thats just yourself.

Understanding what it is you are afraid of - goes a long long way to alleviating jealousy.


jealousy is simply something that can be overcome with a little thought and understanding

If a person is honest with no one but themselves, they will sit down and examine the reasons they are afraid.

Needless to say, consider this signed off by myself.
Sidona
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Post by: ke'tharn on January 31, 2006, 10:16:40 PM
read and understood!

ke'tharn
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Post by: Shadow duck on February 01, 2006, 03:16:28 PM
aye Mistress chanz have read and yes chanz understands..


 ((and coming from a slaves mind point... we all get certain Masters or Mistresses in mind when we serve or attend to tasks and yes we do have feelins for these but if we understand that we are there to be pleasein to bring honour to our owners then as pets we shine.. sorry not makin a whole lot of sense but tryin to))

chanz..
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Post by: Tiggie on February 01, 2006, 04:26:03 PM
understood Poppa

*grins and walks off to go put a good beating on some leather for a new saddle*
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Post by: Kitya on February 01, 2006, 08:28:44 PM
I wish I could be around more to help with all this. As soon as my tummy allows me to scroll I will do my best to be in Camp more frequently. As for this bullshit.. I had better not see any evidence of it because, as some know, I really come down hard on people who do. Hell, even when Pete had decided he didn;t want to be with me anymore, and with someone else, I was not jealous, nor did I ever rp being jealous. I was hurt, and unhappy about it yes. But NEVER did I act jealously in Camp.

This is VT people. it's a ROLE.

Kitya
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Post by: Vala on February 02, 2006, 01:26:43 PM
Vala
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Post by: Dream on February 18, 2006, 09:12:49 PM
Though jealousy can fester and cause major problems, in one way, we all, Free and slave alike, can use it as a tool.  Especially slaves.  What I mean by this, is simply that if a slave sees a Master or Mistress "doting" on one slave, she or he may become jealous of that attention.  Use that jealousy to fuel the fires in your belly.  Bring out the kajira within and mkae yourself more noticed, not by whining or acting the jealous slave.....but, instead by striving harder to be the best you can be. Take that extra step to be more pleasing, more beautiful, more radiant....to gain the attentions that you desire.  Use that jealousy in a positive manner.

I hope that makes sense, and that I'm not out of line.
JoJo
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Post by: RAGNAR on February 18, 2006, 09:31:49 PM
 ;)
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Post by: Tiggie on February 20, 2006, 06:58:56 AM
*opens my trap then shuts it* 

Good job Jo Jo...  I won't start on things that I see with SOME of the FW of Our home... *goes to tend to Krul's saddles since You seem to have the rest of the wagon under control for the moment*
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Post by: Thalia on February 20, 2006, 07:45:52 AM
The jealousy rules are clearly outlined on the slave pages, but the potential free woman component of the issue had not been addressed until recently.  Accordingly, the free woman section of the Rules page now features this text, condensed from Mistress Yahira's Ubar-approved post:

Possessiveness and jealousy over a free man will not be tolerated. Never seek to "own" or control the attentions and sexual freedoms of a Gorean man. If you have been guilty of warning a free woman or a slave against paying too much attention to "your" man, or if you have "advised" her that a certain man is "taken" because he already has a slave/Intended/Companion, you are out of line. While you may even mean well, it is none of your business. The Ubar has stated that this is "pure bullshit," and that he had better never catch someone doing this. (The obvious but highly unlikely exception would be if you have concrete proof that a Companioned man is consorting with a free woman other than his Companion -- and that would be a matter to bring directly to our Ubar or a Council Member.)

I added the "exception" text because no one wants a Companioned man dishonoring his woman by having sexual relations with a free woman whom he has no intention of collaring... Certainly Gorean men DID tempt free women, but said women ended up in a collar once they showed slave heat.  Having a free woman "piece" on the side would be simply UnGorean.
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Post by: Ayelen on February 20, 2006, 07:54:04 AM
Actually jealousy was encouraged in the books ~waggles brows~

~puts my X here~

read and understood
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Post by: Sati on February 20, 2006, 10:21:57 AM
Jealousy cannot be turned off like a faucet..sorry I dont buy it. All that will happen is the feelings will be taken into pm and really ruin roleplay. It is a very real human emotion and whether or not we want to admit it, we are all humans living on earth not gor and our real human emotions are part of our online characters period. So I am signing off, but I dont for a minute believe as emotionally charged as this game is we can dictate peoples emotions and call it a " RULE "
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Post by: Thalia on February 20, 2006, 02:40:06 PM
Oh, I firmly believe that jealousy is natural, impossible to counteract, and oftentimes beneficial...

...however, the rule is NOT about preventing jealousy, but about preventing the un-Gorean effects of jealousy when they are applied to an online situation.

Were slaves jealous of other slaves?  Oh, goodness, yes -- and such jealousies often made them better slaves when they competed to catch a desireable man's eye.  However, they did not dare dictate which slave a man should to take to his furs.  To do so would be to encourage a severe beating.  If she lost the "competition," that was the end of it.  In at least one instance in the books, a slave was sold for so much as daring to suggest that a Master should have chosen her to adorn his leash, rather than the slave to which the leash was clipped.

Were slaves jealous of free women?  Oh, goodness, yes -- and they knew they'd better tiptoe around such powerful, wrathful, vain, and prudish women, lest their lives be made a living hell.  The books tell us that slaves almost always hid their sexual needs when in the presence of free women, even if this meant failing to catch the eye of a desireable man. And you'd better believe that a slave had to know a Master extremely well before she could dare to joke about the petty mood swings and prudish ways of free women.

Were free women jealous of other free women and slaves?  Again, absolutely.  Free women sometimes took great pleasure in humiliating the women in their social circle, especially if those other women were extremely beautiful and highly sought for Companionship.  It goes without saying that a free-born woman was incredibly cruel to the female slaves of her household, especially if those female slaves were couch-warmers for her Companion.  And yet the free woman of Gor usually knew better than to shrewishly forbid their Companions to make a journey to the local paga tavern or bath house.  Several times in the books, free women who attempted to interfere in a man's sexual festivities were beaten.

In all of these instances, the jealous women knew better than to dictate to a man where he would take his pleasure.  Regardless of her feelings, the choice was his, which was his right as a man on Gor.

And now we come to online, with its whispers of "don't serve him too sexually, he's already taken," and "I think you need to back away from my man."  You see, most of the jealousies are ALREADY being taken to pm and ruining role-play.  If you haven't seen it IN role-play, that's a good thing -- but that doesn't mean that IMs and PMs haven't been flying left and right.

Yes, jealousy is a human emotion, and Goreans are humans... but the RESULT, the BY-PRODUCT of this ONLINE jealousy is the very UN-Gorean phenomenon of seeking to a control a man's sexuality -- and that is what prompted the rule.
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Post by: Thalia on February 20, 2006, 02:53:08 PM
I have re-phrased the law for a more clear-cut interpretation, as follows:

No free woman will seek to "own" or control the attentions of a Gorean man. Yes, jealousy is a natural human emotion -- but Gorean women knew better than to try to dictate a man's sexual exploits. If you have been guilty of warning a free woman or a slave against paying too much attention to "your" man, or if you have "advised" her that a certain man is "taken" because he already has a slave/Intended/Companion, you are out of line. While you may even mean well, it is none of your business. The Ubar has stated that this is "pure bullshit," and that he had better never catch someone doing this. (The obvious but highly unlikely exception would be if you have concrete proof that a Companioned man is consorting with a free woman other than his Companion -- and that would be a matter to bring directly to our Ubar or a Council Member.)
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Post by: Sati on February 20, 2006, 07:28:46 PM
Of course I absolutely agree with most of what is being said..but I do NOT understand the need to hide such jealousies..why would we..why would we not openly show our jealousies in active roleplay ..it just doesnt make sense to me...how is a jealous woman to react in rp ? and when told it is unexceptable that is when it goes into pms and ruins shit...it just seems like a nealry impossible rule to follow ..in fact..it would help Me greatly for you to do a pseudo rp here for everyone to see..lets say..Ummm I am companioned to JOE BLOW and he is seeking you out sexually every night and I am jealous as hell....yeah lets see how that should be handled without breaking the rules -winks-
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Post by: Taryn on February 20, 2006, 08:27:23 PM
there's already a law in place about pm's or going to messengers with gossip..
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Post by: kadi{MTC} on February 20, 2006, 11:58:17 PM
ok kadi gonna put here what she thinks is ment by this post


say my Master is in camp and kadi is running round doing things for Him, then along comes kels batting her baby blues at my Master, and He in turn is feeling her up, am i gonna jealous, yes a little cos i wanna be the one in His lap, am i gonna pm kels and tell her to get to f**k away from my Master, hell NO, this is what Ubar and others are saying the pming of slaves and FW telling T/them not to go near this Master/Mistress is not allowed.

Thanks kels for your help in this hugs her heart sis

kadi
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Post by: Thalia on February 21, 2006, 05:02:30 PM
~grinning~

Well, Mistress, you'd give me the evil booger-eye, and I'd fall half-dead down on my face with fear... and then stick my tongue out at you behind your back after you'd gotten done kicking me... And THEN I wouldn't tell Master JOE BLOW what a b*tch his woman is, 'cause I'd be beaten dead for that, and you'd tell him what a horrible slave I was but not dare to tell him where to stick his willy, and then we'd have a great time laughing in pm about it...

~snickering~

But seriously, the rule applies to the ooc pms that were flying back and forth, where F/female A told F/female B in IM/PM, "You must not talk/flirt/sexily serve Man A, he has a female in his life," instead of taking the issue out in the open (valid by-the-books role-play) or letting Man A deal with his own sex life (butting out and leaving ooc at the door).  Unfortunately, in not one single instance was the jealousy issue actually role-played or limited to ic interaction.  It was ALL ooc crap, with the Earthen mentality of expecting a girlfriend/boyfriend-style manogamous relationship.  (In fact, I think that's a better way to phrase it on the rule post... I'll ammend asap!)

And we do already have a PMing/IMing rules, but they specifically apply to messaging without permission and to spreading "did you hear what so-and-so did?" type of gossip. 

Other than the above clarifications, I think Master Ubar will have to shed further light if there are still interpretational ambiguities... I do know what he had Mistress Yaya write and post, and that he approved it, and that such was to go on the Rules pages as a seperate and valid issue... but as far as the more in-depth, situation-by-situation application of the law, I have to say I'm not 100% qualified to answer all situations...

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Post by: Thalia on February 21, 2006, 05:21:49 PM
Perhaps this is better?

"No free woman will seek to hold a Gorean man to the Earthen concept of a manogamous sexual relationship. Yes, jealousy is a natural human emotion -- but Gorean women knew better than to try to dictate a man's sexual exploits. If you have been guilty of warning a free woman or a slave against paying too much attention to "your" man, or if you have "advised" her that a certain man is "taken" because he already has a slave/Intended/Companion, you are out of line. While you may even mean well, it is none of your business. The Ubar has stated that this is "pure bullshit," and that he had better never catch someone doing this. In other words, leave your Earthen ideals of girlfriend/boyfriend-style relationships at the door. (The obvious but highly unlikely exception would be if you have concrete proof that a Companioned man is consorting with a free woman other than his Companion -- and that would be a matter to bring directly to our Ubar or a Council Member.)"

Any further changes or contingencies would have to come from Master Ubar himself...

And I do think some line should be drawn between valid rp and ooc sniping, somehow... but the text will need to come from a higher authority...
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Post by: Sati on February 21, 2006, 05:36:47 PM
-BIG FAT SMOOCH-

I get it now..thanks dee !
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Post by: Coreign on February 28, 2006, 08:18:54 PM
*inscribes her name*

Coreign
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Post by: cat{MTC} on March 01, 2006, 01:12:04 PM
you know  took cat some time to not step back when a sister showed interest in a Master..cat usually would step back and avoid the Master..
to so not hurt this sister or that..
took cat sometime to get the point..
that in Gor  ONLY Ones that matter are the Free
we slave are here to please THEM ALL
we not here to be pleased
so if a Master Blowmenow want deep His cookie in many flavours of deeps  ..well who are we slaves to say He can't or He could?
if a Master is happy..then we should be happy as well..
as means our home is giving the Free exactely what Gor is about
put a Free before us slaves..
i know i know cat make not sense in her writing but ..well wished to say what cat think of it..
and this is to dee ..giggles swats her and then send  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Post by: Mae on March 04, 2006, 09:25:35 AM
nods  with  agreement to  all of the posts
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Post by: kelsey on March 08, 2006, 04:59:28 AM
dee....your post goes for slaves as well as FW...I think you need to amend the bold part of your line to say that...oh...and it's spell monogamus, I think...as in mono meaning one
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Post by: ice{LM/TD} on March 08, 2006, 12:30:53 PM
whispers... "monogamous"
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Post by: kelsey on March 08, 2006, 01:49:00 PM
thanks ice...*huggles*
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Post by: sarienna{MTC} on March 17, 2006, 02:27:48 AM
If i'm getting out of hand let me know

Jealousy is a big issue upon gor,but slaves did feel it. After all they do have feelings even if they are considered an animal in gorean law. So slaves will feel it but need to keep it in check,because things could go from bad to worse.

anyhow i'll shut up and i have read n understands
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Post by: RAGNAR on March 17, 2006, 11:03:06 AM
 ;)
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Post by: Yetu on March 18, 2006, 07:13:12 AM
*puts in My 2 cents worth*

if a Man desires to have an FC and a slave both, by showing jealousy of another FW or slave, that FW exibits plainly that She wishes to be where the slave is which in itself shows that She has wants and desires that could get Her put into a collar.

it is one thing to be jealous of another FW's hair color, or Thier Clan skills. or envious if Y/you preffer... but to be jealous of another F/female because of a Man's attention... as I just said, does this not show that T/they desire something T/they shouldnt?

a slave may be envious of how another slave dances and serves, etc.... if a girl sees another coming out of a Man's wagon, hair tossled (which obviously shows that she had been serving Him privately), be proud that she was able to bring Him pleasure in which ever way He desired

sorry.... just My take on this subject

when Necron started talking to Me about collaring solli, He asked Me ooc how Yetu would react. I told Him that Yetu is the type that doesnt get jealous. what ever would make Him happy, thats what She wanted. if that included collaring a slave girl then He had My blessings both IC and OOC. now I dont know if its because thats how a FW should be, or its how Yetu is... either way, no jealousy will ever been viewed coming from Yetu when it comes to a Man spending time/giving attention to another F/female.... plain and simple
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Post by: syn {MTC} mat~tp on March 19, 2006, 05:12:09 PM
= reads it and places her lil jane hancock here as well =
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Post by: Mysta on April 20, 2006, 01:53:42 AM
Hee Hee...if I ever FC...my gift to Him will be a slave!
*sniff and toss of curls*
That will save me lotsss of work!
*signs...the She-who-has-no-concept-of-jelousy-
Serenity
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Post by: ketra{MTC} on April 28, 2006, 06:35:57 PM
has read it
leaves my mark
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: DaPaleOne on April 29, 2006, 07:04:58 PM
-could have sworn I signed this by obviously only read it before..grunts and signs...and agrees with the concept of the man having a slave saving the FW alot of work..lol..but then again guess it all depends on the FM too..lol-
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: chiana {M} on May 06, 2006, 04:10:51 PM
*pink print*
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: sera{MTC} on August 26, 2006, 10:51:17 PM
leaves a trail of sticky fingerprints to mark that i had read
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Jay on August 27, 2006, 12:28:38 PM
Ah, good thread!

Read, Understood. -smiling-
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: aisling{MTC} on August 27, 2006, 07:50:00 PM
*smirks and scribbles*

Read and most definitely understood.. for A/all
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: RAGNAR on August 29, 2006, 06:04:26 AM
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Posted on: August 27, 2006, 10:50:00 PMPosted by: aisling{Sati} 
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*smirks and scribbles*

Read and most definitely understood.. for A/all



aisling...

judging by the smirk and the bold print, it would seem a girl may have an issue.

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If you are having an issue with something you are seeing, bring it to the attention of the appropriate people.  Remember the following two rules, and act accordingly.

•Jealousy and possessiveness of a Master’s/Mistress's attention is not tolerated of a slave. To show jealousy, to attempt to make a Master or Mistress kow-tow to that emotion, is to attempt to become Master/Mistress and make the Master/Mistress a slave. Tacky, tacky, tacky...

•Do not correct another slave! Only trainers may correct those they train

Now, while this post has mainly pertained to slaves, as per Ubar, this also goes for free.  There have been reports of FW also telling slaves in PM or in IM's the same type of thing discussed above.  The Ubar has stated that this is "pure bullshit" and that he had better never catch someone doing this.

look at this as part of a girl's training. learn from it. if an issue does exist... speak with me about it. do naught allow it to cause a girl to become less than what a girl can be.
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: aisling{MTC} on August 29, 2006, 10:52:14 AM
Nay, Master Ubar...there is no issue other than what she's already spoken to You about. 

If I may, my response was in regards more to Master's Tegutai's post...and beg pardon if it seemed so otherwise.

I do try to learn from all sorts of situations and yes will take this as just another training tool as You have said. Thank You, for Your wise words, Master Ubar.   

Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: ...haven on September 16, 2006, 07:50:30 PM
-scrawls her name as a sign of understanding-
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Arlon on January 04, 2007, 12:17:09 PM
Read and understood. Might save me some confusion at a later date, one never knows....
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: nizhoni{Din'Shular} on January 04, 2007, 07:26:06 PM
-thumbs up...scrawls M'name here in jellyroll prints-

Gotcha
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Nexhias on January 07, 2007, 10:26:20 AM
-Finds a spot through Meg's jelly roll prints to sign.-  *G*

Read, understood.
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Shylina Marie on January 08, 2007, 09:16:19 AM
my two tarsk bits worth

jealousy is a common nature thing..... everyone possesses it.. just not everyone acts on it... is it a pretty thing.. by all means no. but it doesn't mean that it didn't exist.  I just think that we know its there.. but acting with dignity and responsibility, gives us the ability to not act upon foolish natured things such as jealousy.  If by chance I am ever blessed with having a life mate or companion.  Would I deny him the use of a slave.... NO.. that doesn't make sense.... as both of us must continue to work and be in support of our home and our family.  There are times and places where  I may be too tired, or just flat out NOT in the mood for things...the slave also serves as a benefit to me as she/he is also not just his property but partly my property as well. therefore subject to doing all things necessary of her/him.. and we in turn will look after and tend her/him...its a balance. and it has to be a team/unit effort for things to work. communication is ulitmately key here.  I would much rather having someone pull me to the side and say Mistress I got a problem.. and let me listen... and think on things before just flying off the handle about things..

all things in a circle... all things in a balance.  and remember.... keep it simple stupid..... grins

Slaps her pawprinted mark up there.....
Shylina
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: kyza{F}mat-tp on January 31, 2007, 10:16:36 PM
understoon Mistress *nods*
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: ariella {*Arlon*} on March 26, 2007, 08:57:47 AM
so to make sure this girl understands, Jealousy is a natural human emotion, and it was displayed in the books, so if there is any jealousy to be played, it is to be played in the camp, and not in pm. There is always jealousy played in the camp by bot, talking about slave girls fighting over who will share the Master's furs that night and such. Women by nature tend to be jealous, but it is based on fear of our own self worth, as mentioned earlier in the thread. This one is recovering from a lifetime of low self esteem, and it is an ongoing process. I can guarantee that i will become jealous at times, but i will not act inappropriately by pming others as some have done. i know my Master would not tolerate this behavior, so i will not display this behavior. i agree that in order to remain favorable before a Master's eyes, a girl must act favorable, and not complain about what attention others are getting. get off your ass and stop having the pitty party, hold your head high and remember you are a Tuchuk slave girl, now THAT is something to be proud of. being a whiny bitch will only make the Free not want to have you serve them, or even be around you, and they will most certainly seek out others who are actually pleasing, not draining to be around.

this girl reads and understands, and adds her 2 cents
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Thalia on May 25, 2007, 07:22:34 AM
In the books, slaves competed amongst one another, viciously so.  The pecking order was usually established by tooth and nail.  So long as the fighting was limited to bruises, scratches, and missing hair, such squabbles were beneath the notice of free persons.  However, if those rivalries caused divided attentions and interrupted the service that a free person expected to receive, you could bet that punishment would be swift and harsh.

Free women, too, expressed jealousy toward female slaves, usually by making their lives absolute misery.  The girl might be made to serve Mistresses, only, and would be beaten if she so much as looked at a free man with longing.  She might be thrown to male slaves; or she might be given to a man she detested or to an entire group of guards for gang rape.  The slave girl might even be sold by the woman of the house to prevent her contact with the woman's Companion - though you can bet the free man in question would be none too happy to have his property disposed of without his consent.

But that is role-play.  That is GOR.  On Earth, girl fights result in the cops being called.  On Earth, most wives wouldn't condone their husband having a piece on the side -- and they surely wouldn't be able to prostitute or sell said strumpet.

Such GOREAN ROLE-PLAY could be fun, if pre-arranged.  A bit of consentual cattiness can truly spice up a dull night and lend some authenticity. But EARTH jealousies, if taken out on the people sitting behind the screen with the excuse that "it's being Gorean because there was jealousy on Gor," is completely unacceptable - hence this rule. 

People come to Gor to escape the pettiness of their real lives, not to experience another version of it!
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: pleasure{MTC} on May 25, 2007, 06:23:13 PM
*nods n agrees with dee*
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Shylina Marie on May 25, 2007, 07:19:22 PM
cudos  deemon....... cudos.....


mutters cause I still suck at words
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: dilshad{property of Tira} on September 27, 2007, 05:42:14 AM
the boy dakota reads and uses a marking stick to sign
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Raziel on September 30, 2008, 05:12:21 PM
And this one needs to definately be reread by ALL!!

Raz
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Amber on September 30, 2008, 05:29:15 PM
Yup got it again.
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Nexhias on September 30, 2008, 05:54:58 PM
Read it. 
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: flame{NS} on September 30, 2008, 08:38:29 PM
has read it all.. and places her mark up on the board... leaves hugs and kisses


da flame
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: dilshad{property of Tira} on September 30, 2008, 08:53:12 PM
Done Master
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: familure{TD} on September 30, 2008, 10:39:36 PM
~rereads before placing her mark~

yes Master
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Raziel on October 10, 2008, 10:16:36 PM
Reminder to read for those that have not.

Raz
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Alex on October 11, 2008, 11:57:17 AM
read and noted
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: sinnocent on October 11, 2008, 12:44:42 PM
reread as commanded
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Taryn on October 11, 2008, 01:32:36 PM
~re-reads and signs off~
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Shylina Marie on October 11, 2008, 02:36:36 PM
so Noted
Shylina Marie
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Sidona on October 11, 2008, 03:05:53 PM
re-read and noted.
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Savan on October 11, 2008, 03:45:00 PM
ok  no jealousy ...um  do not have one yet to get jealous of..lol....
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: kadi{MTC} on October 11, 2008, 03:48:56 PM
read and signed
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: kadi{MTC} on October 11, 2008, 03:50:26 PM
read and signed

kadi
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: kelsey on October 12, 2008, 04:22:14 PM
check
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Nexhias on October 12, 2008, 05:39:39 PM
Read it.
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Kitya on October 13, 2008, 07:46:43 AM
Reread!
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: prism {*RgR*1*} on October 15, 2008, 06:36:01 PM
re reads, re signs
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: snare{AD} on February 02, 2009, 09:12:59 AM
Read and signed.
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: tawney {MTC} on September 15, 2009, 10:18:46 AM
Yes, Mistress

read and understood

tawney
{MTC}
mat-tp
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Mercilayne on September 15, 2009, 09:01:37 PM
Read and understood.
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Melanie on September 20, 2009, 02:32:15 PM
Got it...*scribbles a few letters*...

Mel
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Medi on September 21, 2009, 06:32:23 PM
read and understood, thank You, Master.

amanda
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: ndndancer on September 27, 2009, 03:10:40 PM
Yes Master, got it!..... *makes my mark*

mira
{MTC}
mat-tp
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: familure{TD} on March 22, 2010, 10:40:48 AM
~bumps this up~
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: rep on March 22, 2010, 11:26:07 AM
~looks around, leaving the shadows to slip in, impossible to be unnoticed but knowing she needs to be here. taking a deep breath and the time to reread the whole thread, she signs her name along with something else that needs to be said~

kiah{MTC}

'thank you for this reminder, lure'


~closing her eyes to the terrible stares, collar heavy and cheeks still stained, initially with tears of said jealousy and that other emotion someone spoke of, fluctuating with that stubborn pride, until finally shifting into unbearable shame as she slips ~
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Shylina Marie on March 28, 2010, 08:53:21 AM
has done a reread on this topic as well.
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: flame{NS} on March 28, 2010, 11:06:01 AM
reads and understands



da flame
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: C h e l s i a on March 28, 2010, 03:20:07 PM
read and understood :)
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: fire {B} on December 25, 2015, 02:44:34 AM
signs
Title: Re: Jealousy, both FW and slaves: Please read and sign
Post by: Becky69 on June 22, 2019, 12:10:05 PM
Read and agreed to.