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Gorean Roleplay => Tuchuk Wagon Camp => MTC OOC => Topic started by: prism {*RgR*1*} on June 08, 2008, 05:28:04 PM
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In a recent speech, Barack Obama said he had campaigned in "he thought .. 57 states" all of them but Alaska and Hawaii because his staff advised him that would be too risky.
Does this mean I still have another 2 years to go before my coin map is finished??
LOL
*scrams*
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June, 2008 - Bill Clinton's Letter To John Hinckley
For those of you who may not be completely aware of John Hinckley, who he is, what he did, and why, here's a little history. John Hinckley was a seriously deranged young man who shot President Reagan many years back.
John was absolutely obsessed with movie star Jodie Foster, and extremely jealous as well, and in his twisted mind, loved Jodie Foster to the point that to make himself known to her, attempted to assassinate President Reagan.
With that in mind, the staff at the mental facility treating John Hinckley reports intercepting the following letter from Bill Clinton:
To: John Hinckley
From: Bill Clinton
Dear John,
Hillary and I wanted to drop you a short note to tell you how pleased we are with the great strides you are making in your recovery.
In our country's new spirit of understanding and forgiveness, we want you to know there is a bilateral consensus of compassion and forgiveness abroad throughout the land.
Hillary and I want you to know that no grudge is borne against you for shooting President Reagan.
We, above all, are aware of how the mental stress and pain could have driven you to such an act of desperation.
Hillary and I are confident that you will soon make a complete recovery and return to your family to join the world again as a healthy and productive young man.
Best wishes,
Bill & Hillary Clinton
p.s. Barack Obama is screwing Jodie Foster.
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Just dies laughing ....
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A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man fishing from a boat below.
She shouted to him, 'Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am.'
The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, 'You're in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.
She rolled her eyes and said, 'You must be a Republican!'
'I am,' replied the man. 'How did you know?'
'Well,' answered the balloonist, 'Everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you're not much help to me.'
The man smiled and responded, 'You must be a Democrat.'
'I am,' replied the balloonist. 'How did you know?'
'Well,' said the man, 'You don't know where you are or where you're going. You've risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and now you expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but, somehow, now it's my fault.'
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hehe
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That's just friggin awesome -lol-
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Heh heh heh...
Subject: Ice fishing
The Presidential election was too close to call. Neither the Republican candidate nor the Democratic candidate had enough votes to win. There was much talk about ballot recounting, court challenges, etc., but a week-long ice fishing competition seemed the sportsmanlike way to settle things. The candidate that caught the most fish at the end of the week would win the election. Therefore, it was decided that there should be an ice fishing contest between the two candidates to determine the winner.
After much of back and forth discussion, it was decided that the contest take place on a remote frozen lake in northern Minnesota . There were to be no observers present, and both men were to be sent out separately on this isolated lake and return at 5 P.M. with their catch for counting and verification by a team of neutral parties.
At the end of the first day, John Mc. returned to the starting line and he had ten fish. Soon, Obama returned and had no fish. Well, everyone assumed he was just having another 'bad hair' day or something and hopefully, he would catch up the next day.
At the end of the 2nd day John Mc. came in with 20 fish and Obama came in again with none.
That evening, Harry Reid got together secretly with Obama and said, 'Obama, I think John Mc. is a low-life, cheatin' son-of-a-gun. I want you to go out tomorrow and don't even bother with fishing. Just spy on him and see just how he is cheating.'
The next night (after John Mc. returns with 50 fish), Harry said to Obama, 'Well, tell me, how is John Mc. cheating?'
Obama replied, 'Harry, you're not going to believe this, but he's cutting holes in the ice..'
Experience Counts
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What's in the heart comes out via the tongue!
From Rush Limbaugh's radio show yesterday.....
Hey, folks, you want to tweak the Drive-By Media with me right now?
You are aware, probably, that Barack Obama lost his bearings recently and said that he was going to campaign in all 57 states.
You heard this? And most everybody chalked it up to, 'Well, he's tired.'
You know, this is a Dan Quayle moment. I mean, Dan Quayle goes out there and misspells 'potato,' and we still hear jokes about it.
Barack Obama says he's gonna go out and campaign in 57 states! He was just tired, you know, it's been such a long campaign, he's been so many places, he probably thinks there are 57 states.
Well, I have here a printout from a web site called the International Humanist and Ethical Union.
And here is how the second paragraph of an article on that website begins.
'Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states presented a resolution to the United Nations Commission on human rights called commbating.'
Obama said he's going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are 57 Islamic states.
There are 57 Islamic states!
So did Obama just lose his bearings, or was this a more telling slip, ladies and gentlemen?
KEEP IT GOING, FOLKS! Our future is at stake...Make no mistake about it.
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*nods*
exactly
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thought you might get a kick out of this my mentor.....
57 States (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMo0WlSvrIY)
~snickers and heads out to work~
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LOL
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another for you prism
Lost Wallet
A guy was traveling through Mexico on vacation when, lo and behold, he lost his wallet and all of his identification. Cutting his trip short, he attempted to make his way home, but was stopped by the Customs Agent at the Tijuana border.
'May I see your ID.? Por favor, senor?' asked the agent.
'I'm sorry, but I seem to have lost my wallet,' replied the guy. 'Si, amigo, I hear that every day. No ID, no crossing the border,' said the agent.
'But I can prove that I'm an American!' he exclaimed. 'I have a picture of Bill Clinton tattooed on one butt cheek and a picture of Hillary Clinton tattooed on the other."
'This I got to see, senor,' replied the agent.
With that, he dropped his pants and bent o ver in front of the agent.
'By golly, you're right!' exclaimed the agent. 'Have fun in Denver.'
'Thanks!' he said. 'But how did you know I was from Denver?'
The agent replied, 'I recognized Barack Obama in the middle!'
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*howling*
woobies liked that!
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The Democrats love to bring up this whole Bill Bennett thing because they said it makes up for Clinton's indiscretions. See the difference is, though, when Bennett hits on 17 it's not someone's daughter.
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My husband and I were talking about the fact that in the Muslum faith or how ever it is spelled there are 57 states. He also started an intervied a week or so ago with....There seems to be so many problems with my Muslum religion. The interviewer said do you not mean your Christian religion. He quickly said Yes yes that is what I mean. Not word for word but the meaning is there
By the way this is SB
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Here is an interesting fact: If you add John McCain's age and Barack Obama's age together you'll get the number of times Obama usually says "uh" when answering a question.
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LOL
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damn~ I wish i had that on a button to wear.. LOL
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oh do like sin..
print it out...copy to card stock.. cover with lamenant... throw a pin in the back. and
viol'a insta pin
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Generally, I try to avoid taking issue with things said on the boards. Everyone has a right to their opinion, and to voice it. That is what this country is about, after all. However-- this time, I will make an exception.
I am not going to get into a political debate here..
I WILL ask that we not compare U.S. political leaders to terrorists-- especially when the terrorist in question was responsible for taking thousands of American lives on September 11th 2001, one of which was was a great army friend of mine from Oklahoma. Say what you will about Obama or McCain-- but let's not drag up the name of the son of a bitch who could slaughter so many innocent people.
Please remove the image of the pin as a courtesy not to myself-- but to the people that passed in the 9/11 attacks. Using Osama as a comparison for a U.S. citizen, for whatever reason, is giving him too much credit that he is humane.
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I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.
Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.
To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.
Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..
So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.
My plan is to give $425,0 00 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It Dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.
Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife has $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college – it'll be there
Save in a bank – create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car – create jobs
Invest in the market – capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance – health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else
Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company
that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!
As for AIG – liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General. Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.
Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?
I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.
And remember, The Family plan only rea lly costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned
instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.
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I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE.
HERE IS MY PLATFORM:
(1) 'Press 1 for English' is immediately banned. English is the official language; speak it or wait at the border until you can.
(2) We will immediately go into a two year isolationist posture to straighten out the country's attitude. NO imports, no exports. We will use the 'Wal-Mart' policy: 'If we ain't got it, you don't need it.'
(3) When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import tax on it.
(4) All retired military personnel will be required to man one of our many observation towers on the southern border. (six month tour) They will be under strict orders not to fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.
(5) Social security will immediately return to its original state. If you didn't put nuttin in, you ain't gettin nuttin out. The president nor any other politician will not be able to touch it.
(6) Welfare - Checks will be handed out on Fridays at the end of the 40 hour school week and the successful completion of urinalysis and a passing grade.
(7) Professional Athletes --Steroids - The FIRST time you check positive you're banned for life.
(8) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the first time you steal, you lose your right
hand. There is no more life sentences. If convicted, you will be put to death by the
same method you chose for your victim; gun, knife, strangulation, etc.
(9) One export will be allowed; Wheat, The world needs to eat. A bushel of wheat will be the exact
price of a barrel of oil.
(10) All foreign aid using American taxpayer money will immediately cease, and the saved money will
pay off the national debt and ultimately lower taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we'll ask the American people if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can
make the decision whether it's a worthy cause.
(11) The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at school and every day in Congress.
(12) The National Anthem will be played at all appropriate ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc.
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Why Beer Is Better Than Obama
"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Benjamin Franklin
Soldiers like beer.
Beer is better than Obama because sailors like beer.
Beer is better than Obama because marines like beer.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn't come from Madrassas.
Beer is better than Obama because you know what's in beer.
Beer is better than Obama because beer won't take half your paycheck.
Beer is better than Obama because beer makes life a little better.
Beer is better than Obama because you're sad if there's no more beer.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn't lie.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn't have entitlement demands.
Beer is better than Obama because beer and whine don't mix.
Beer is better than Obama because beer has a pretty good head on it.
Beer is better than Obama because beer and bowling go together.
Beer is better than Obama because beer and arugula don't.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn't leave a bad taste in your mouth.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn’t mind if you cling to your beer.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn’t trash talk you behind your back.
Beer is better than Obama because cold beer disproves the myth of man made global warming.
Beer is better than Obama because imported beer doesn’t pretend to be domestic.
Beer is better than Obama because beer likes it when I set my thermostat COLD.
Beer is better than Obama because beer is GREEN only on St. Patrick’s Day.
Beer is better than Obama because beer didn’t smoke pot and snort coke.
Beer is better than Obama because beer is better than Vichy Water.
Beer is better than Obama because beer is unpretentious.
Beer is better than Obama because people in small towns cling to God, guns and beer.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn't promise you a free lunch.
Beer is better than Obama because there ain't no Pabst Bilal* Ribbon. Not yet anyway.
*"Bilal - Satisfies thirst; name of the Prophets Muezzin (one who calls for prayer)"
Beer is better than Obama because beer won’t throw you under the bus.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn't cut and run.
Beer is better than Obama because beer isn't phony.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn't flip-flop.
Beer is better than Obama because beer’s ingredients known for sure.
Beer is better than Obama because beer makes people happy.
Beer is better than Obama because beer is as American as apple pie.
Beer is better than Obama because beer isn't promoted on National Public Radio.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn't mind if you own an SUV.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn't care how much you make.
Beer is better than Obama because a beer won't blame America for 9/11.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn't whine, it bubbles.
Beer is better than Obama because beer isn't a lawyer.
Beer is better than Obama because beer comes with an expiration date.
Beer is better than Obama because beer and NASCAR go together.
Beer is better than Obama because you're not afraid to turn your back on a beer.
Beer is better than Obama because beers don't have friends who bombed the pentagon.
Beer is better than Obama because an empty beer is better than an empty suit.
Beer is better than Obama because beer minds its own business.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn't tell you what you want to hear.
Beer is better than Obama because beer is worth what you pay for it.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn't lecture you about "global warming."
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn't care what color you are.
Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn't want to take away your gun.
Beer is better than Obama because beer is popular with working people.
Beer is better than Obama because beer isn't crazy.
Beer is better than Obama because beers don't start out as empties.
Beer is better than Obama because beers don't rig elections.
Beer is better than Obama because beers don't raise taxes.
Beer is better than Obama because beer and coke don't mix.
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gives Salem a big
hell yeah!
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LOL
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http://www.alaskansongs.com:80/
click on the link for Pitbull Woman
*G*
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LOL
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I got this in email.. It makes me wonder...
Perhaps there are SOME out there who are beginning to get 'the picture'. The following is a narrative taken from Sunday Morning's televised 'Meet The Press'. and the author is employed by none other than the Washington Post!! Yeah......the Washington Post of New York and Los Angeles Times fame!! Must say that I'm dually impressed..................
From Sunday's Televised 'Meet the Press' Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag. Obama Explains National Anthem Stance
Sun, 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, General Bill Ginn' USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain why he doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.
The General also stated to the Senator that according to the United States Code,
Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171... During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention
facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. At the very least, 'Stand and Face It'
Senator Obama Live on Sunday states, 'As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides, Obama said. 'There are a lot of people in the world
to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.'We should consider to reinvent our National Anthem as well as to redesign our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we as a Nation of warring people, should conduct ourselves as the nations of Islam, whereas peace prevails. Perhaps a state or period of mutual concord between our governments. When I become President, I will seek a pact or agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation have placed upon the nations of Islam an unfair injustice. My wife disrespects the Flag for many personal reasons. Together she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past, many years ago. She has her views and I have mine'. Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the United States a nd I have put aside my hatred. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path of hope. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country's First Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America.
WHAAAAAAAT the Hell !!!
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, you heard it right. This could possibly be our next President.
I, for one, am speechless.
Dale Lindsborg,
Washington Post
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That right there explains why I am Republican to the bone, and never will switch... that just makes me sick... and a few supporters here are now switching to the other side
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Now they are complaining because DEAD people are being purged from the voter rolls in many states.. What exactly did they intend to do with them?? Let illegal immigrants with no rights or green cards vote for the dead people??
Makes me just want to tell them to grow UP!
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Minorities
We need to show more sympathy for these people.
They travel miles in the heat.
They risk their lives crossing a border.
They don't get paid enough wages.
They do jobs that others won't do or are afraid to do.
They live in crowded conditions among a people who speak a different language.
They rarely see their families, and they face adversity all day, every day.
I'm not talking about illegal Mexicans I'm talking about our troops! Doesn't it seem strange that many Democrats and Republicans are willing to lavish all kinds of social benefits on illegals, but don't support our troops, and are even threatening to defund them?
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prism, if you PM me your email, I'll send you an awesome email that was sent to me... I won't post here any more so as to not offend people.. but I think you and your Master would enjoy it as I did..-winks-
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if Abama wins will he try to make the USA a muslam country
starts making pray rugs for exporting
hehehehe
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If obama becomes President....
I doubt there will be much of a Country left.
Modified because I was being mean to the #&%#$@*&.
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hey hey be nice!
no need to be mean to obama just cause you dont like him!
I dont like him either but im not being mean about it!
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If Obama becomes president...Im moving to Canada.
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To
Her Royal Highness
Queen Elizabeth 2nd
dear Lizzie
Do you not think it is time to take back the Independence that we gave (ok that they won)to the USA just in case this Obama chappie gets in, his one wish is to make the USA into 57 Muslim states and Lizzie dear this we cannot have, next he will be wanting you to step down as Queen so that he can rule the Commonwealth it is just not on, hope to see you soon at the downfall of the world
yours
so on and so forth
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to be honest, i don't want to vote for either candidate but i'm going to vote because i dont believe in coming to bitch on this board and then sit home watching tv and do nothing about 'it'
if you really want to make your voice truly heard
get actively involved
volunteer
protest
take it beyond the message board
kiah{MTC}
registered Indepenent
voting Democrat in Nov.
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my dear kiah if i could vote i would and i would vote myself in that way i could go to all the meets of the family and visit everyone of you, hehehehe
kadi (in the UK)
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kadi,
come on over...*grins*...Massachusetts is already micromanaging our lives. i would love to trade notes
my post sounded good to me, maybe that was what it was suppose to be, my own kick in my own butt but maybe it'll inspire someone else...*giggles*
but first things first... i have to go try and find a miracle for my Boston Red Sox (whom are about to be eliminated from the playoffs)..~waves~... ;D
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HUbby has always been a Republican, but he's so sick of BOTH McCain and Obama that he's decided he's voting Independent.. taht Bob dude.. forget his name... I'm not voting at all, but that's because I'm not an American Citizen yet. I'm waiting till we are done having kids to do that so our kids will grow up dual.
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I'm with you, kiah!!
If you CAN vote, and you don't.....then you don't have any right to complain!!
Voting isn't a right....It's a RESPONSIBILITY.
and DO get involved. There is plenty yet to do before November 4.
NightStorm
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~smiles~...yes Mistress!
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*grins wickedly at mM2*
am gonna see if I can get Obama's ACORN crew to let me register with my deceased Poppa's ID.. then I can vote against him twice.. LOL
*scrams*
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If Obama becomes president...Im moving to Canada.
It ain't so bad up here...we just re-elected a George Bush-loving Prime Minister.
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you know whats sad....
I dont know who im voting for... still...
the only things I know for sure is im voting no on calis prop 8.... and marty block for state assembly... but thats all....
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I know I won't be voting for a Muslim to run my Country... One who has sworn the first thing he plans on doing is reinstating partial birth abortion... one who has vowed to raise all taxes even taxes that have been removed off our shoulders for a long time.. like heredity tax we won't only be taxed in life.. but when we die all the money we were taxed on while we lived will be again taxed before our heirs get it. I won't vote in someone who says he will NOT say his oaths to run the US with his hand on the bible... and someone who will not pledge to our flag....
He isn't Democrate.. Republican or Independent.. he is Muslim.. and the changes I am afraid to America... won't be good for America....
God bless America....
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It ain't so bad up here...we just re-elected a George Bush-loving Prime Minister.
name and address.. I may be moving on up... lol
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Sometimes Family I just don't have the words.
~Dylan~
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October 10, 2008
Fellow Sportsman,
Hello, my name is Rich Pearson and I have been active in the firearm rights movement for over 40 years. For the past 15 years, I have served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle Association.
I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama’s attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than Barack Obama.
Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners and forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month. Without a doubt, Barack Obama has proven himself to be an enemy of the law abiding firearm owner.
At the same time, Obama has proven himself to be a friend to the hardened criminal. While a state senator, Obama voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of home and family. Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a “friend” of the law-abiding gun owner?
And speaking of friends, you can always tell a person by the company they keep. Obama counts among his friends the Rev. Michael Pfleger - a renegade Chicago priest who has openly called for the murder of gun shop owners and pro-gun legislators. Then there is his buddy Richard Daley, the mayor of Chicago who has declared that if it were up to him, nobody would be allowed to own a gun. And let’s not forget Obama’s pal George Soros - the guy who has pumped millions of dollars into the UN’s international effort to disarm law-abiding citizens.
Obama has shown that he is more than willing to use other people’s money to fund his campaign to take your guns away from you. While a board member of the leftist Joyce Foundation, Barack Obama wrote checks for tens of millions of dollars to extremist gun control organizations such as the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence and the Violence Policy Center.
Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a “friend” of the law-abiding gun owner?
By now, I’m sure that many of you have received mailings from an organization called “American Hunters
and Shooters Association(AHSA)” talking about what a swell fellow Obama is and how he honors the 2nd
Amendment and how you will never have to worry about Obama coming to take your guns. Let me make it perfectly clear - everything the AHSA says about Obama is pure hogwash. The AHSA is headed by a group of left-wing elitists who subscribe to the British view of hunting and shooting. That is, a state of affairs where hunting and shooting are reserved for the wealthy upper-crust who can afford guided hunts on exclusive private reserves. The AHSA is not your friend, never will be.
In closing, I’d like to remind you that I’m a guy who has actually gone nose to nose with Obama on gun rights issues. The Obama I know cannot even begin to identify with this nation’s outdoor traditions. The Obama I know sees you, the law abiding gun owner, as nothing but a low-class lummox who is easily swayed by the flash of a smile and a ration of rosy rhetoric. The Obama I know is a stony-faced liar who has honed his skill at getting what he wants - so long as people are willing to give it to him.
That’s the Barack Obama I know.
Sincerely,
(original signed)
Richard A. Pearson
Executive Director
Illinois State Rifle Association
Open Letter to Sportsmen:10/10/08:page 2
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A speech Bush should aim at the liberals...
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Good morning. Normally, I start these things out by saying "My Fellow Americans." Not doing it this time. If the polls are any indication, I don't know who more than half of you are anymore. I do know something terrible has happened, and that you're really not fellow Americans any longer.
I'll cut right to the chase here: I quit. Now before anyone gets all in a lather about me quitting to avoid impeachment, or to avoid prosecution or something, let me assure you: there's been no breaking of laws or impeachable offenses in this office.
The reason I'm quitting is simple. I'm fed up with you people.
I'm fed up because you have no understanding of what's really going on in the world. Or of what's going on in this once-great nation of ours. And the majority of you are too damned lazy to do your homework and figure it out.
Let's start local. You've been sold a bill of goods by politicians and the news media. Polls show that the majority of you think the economy is in the tank. And that's despite record numbers of homeowners including record numbers of MINORITY homeowners. And while we're mentioning minorities, I'll point out that minority business ownership is at an all-time high. Our unemployment rate is as low as it ever was during the Clinton Administration. I've mentioned all those things before, but it doesn't seem to have sunk in.
Despite the shock to our economy of 9/11, the stock market has rebounded to record levels and more Americans than ever are participating in these markets. Meanwhile, all you can do is whine about gas prices, and most of you are too damn stupid to realize that gas prices are high because there's increased demand in other parts of the world, and because a small handful of noisy idiots are more worried about polar bears and beachfront property than your economic security.
We face real threats in the world. Don't give me this "blood for oil" thing. If I was trading blood for oil I would've already seized Iraq's oil fields and let the rest of the country go to hell. And don't give me this 'Bush Lied People Died' crap either. If I was the liar you morons take me for, I could've easily had chemical weapons planted in Iraq so they could be 'discovered.' Instead, I owned up to the fact that the intelligence was faulty. Let me remind you that the rest of the world thought Saddam had the goods, same as me. Let me also remind you that regime change in Iraq was official US policy before I came into office. Some guy named 'Clinton' established that policy. Bet you didn't know that, did you?
You idiots need to understand that we face a unique enemy. Back during the cold war, there were two major competing political and economic models squaring off. We won that war, but we did so because fundamentally, the Communists wanted to survive, just as we do. We were simply able to outspend and out-tech them.
That's not the case this time. The soldiers of our new enemy don't care if they survive. In fact, they want to die. That'd be fine, as long as they weren't also committed to taking as many of you with them as they can. But they are. They want to kill you. And the bastards are all over the globe.
You should be grateful that they haven't gotten any more of us here in the United States since September 11. But you're not. That's because you've got no idea how hard a small number of intelligence, military, law enforcement and homeland security people have worked to make sure of that. When this whole mess started, I warned you that this would be a long and difficult fight. I'm disappointed how many of you people think a long and difficult fight amounts to a single season of 'Survivor'.
Instead, you've grown impatient. You're incapable of seeing things through the long lens of history, the way our enemies do. You think that wars should last a few months, a few years, tops.
Making matters worse, you actively support those who help the enemy. Every time you buy the New York Times, every time you send a donation to a cut-and-run Democrat's political campaign, well, dammit, you might just as well Fedex a grenade launcher to a Jihadist. It amounts to the same thing.
In this day and age, it's easy enough to find the truth. It's all over the Internet. It just isn't on the pages of the New York Times or on NBC News. But even if it were, I doubt you'd be any smarter. Most of you would rather watch American Idol.
I could say more about your expectations that the government will always be there to bail you out, even if you're too stupid to leave a city that's below sea level and has a hurricane approaching. I could say more about your insane belief that government, not your own wallet, is where the money comes from. But I've come to the conclusion that were I to do so, it would sail right over your heads.
So I quit. I'm going back to Crawford. I've got an energy-efficient house down there (Al Gore could only dream) and the capability to be fully self-sufficient. No one ever heard of Crawford before I got elected, and as soon as I'm done here pretty much no one will ever hear of it again. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to die of old age before the last pillars of America fall.
Oh, and by the way, Cheney's quitting too. That means Pelosi is your new President. You asked for it. Watch what she does carefully, because I still have a glimmer of hope that there just enough of you remaining who are smart enough to turn this thing around in 2008.
So that's it. God bless what's left of America. Some of you know what I mean.
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October 10, 2008
Fellow Sportsman,
Hello, my name is Rich Pearson and I have been active in the firearm rights movement for over 40 years. For the past 15 years, I have served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle Association.
I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama’s attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than Barack Obama.
Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners and forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month. Without a doubt, Barack Obama has proven himself to be an enemy of the law abiding firearm owner.
At the same time, Obama has proven himself to be a friend to the hardened criminal. While a state senator, Obama voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of home and family. Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a “friend” of the law-abiding gun owner?
And speaking of friends, you can always tell a person by the company they keep. Obama counts among his friends the Rev. Michael Pfleger - a renegade Chicago priest who has openly called for the murder of gun shop owners and pro-gun legislators. Then there is his buddy Richard Daley, the mayor of Chicago who has declared that if it were up to him, nobody would be allowed to own a gun. And let’s not forget Obama’s pal George Soros - the guy who has pumped millions of dollars into the UN’s international effort to disarm law-abiding citizens.
Obama has shown that he is more than willing to use other people’s money to fund his campaign to take your guns away from you. While a board member of the leftist Joyce Foundation, Barack Obama wrote checks for tens of millions of dollars to extremist gun control organizations such as the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence and the Violence Policy Center.
Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a “friend” of the law-abiding gun owner?
By now, I’m sure that many of you have received mailings from an organization called “American Hunters
and Shooters Association(AHSA)” talking about what a swell fellow Obama is and how he honors the 2nd
Amendment and how you will never have to worry about Obama coming to take your guns. Let me make it perfectly clear - everything the AHSA says about Obama is pure hogwash. The AHSA is headed by a group of left-wing elitists who subscribe to the British view of hunting and shooting. That is, a state of affairs where hunting and shooting are reserved for the wealthy upper-crust who can afford guided hunts on exclusive private reserves. The AHSA is not your friend, never will be.
In closing, I’d like to remind you that I’m a guy who has actually gone nose to nose with Obama on gun rights issues. The Obama I know cannot even begin to identify with this nation’s outdoor traditions. The Obama I know sees you, the law abiding gun owner, as nothing but a low-class lummox who is easily swayed by the flash of a smile and a ration of rosy rhetoric. The Obama I know is a stony-faced liar who has honed his skill at getting what he wants - so long as people are willing to give it to him.
That’s the Barack Obama I know.
Sincerely,
(original signed)
Richard A. Pearson
Executive Director
Illinois State Rifle Association
Open Letter to Sportsmen:10/10/08:page 2
A speech Bush should aim at the liberals...
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Good morning. Normally, I start these things out by saying "My Fellow Americans." Not doing it this time. If the polls are any indication, I don't know who more than half of you are anymore. I do know something terrible has happened, and that you're really not fellow Americans any longer.
I'll cut right to the chase here: I quit. Now before anyone gets all in a lather about me quitting to avoid impeachment, or to avoid prosecution or something, let me assure you: there's been no breaking of laws or impeachable offenses in this office.
The reason I'm quitting is simple. I'm fed up with you people.
I'm fed up because you have no understanding of what's really going on in the world. Or of what's going on in this once-great nation of ours. And the majority of you are too damned lazy to do your homework and figure it out.
Let's start local. You've been sold a bill of goods by politicians and the news media. Polls show that the majority of you think the economy is in the tank. And that's despite record numbers of homeowners including record numbers of MINORITY homeowners. And while we're mentioning minorities, I'll point out that minority business ownership is at an all-time high. Our unemployment rate is as low as it ever was during the Clinton Administration. I've mentioned all those things before, but it doesn't seem to have sunk in.
Despite the shock to our economy of 9/11, the stock market has rebounded to record levels and more Americans than ever are participating in these markets. Meanwhile, all you can do is whine about gas prices, and most of you are too damn stupid to realize that gas prices are high because there's increased demand in other parts of the world, and because a small handful of noisy idiots are more worried about polar bears and beachfront property than your economic security.
We face real threats in the world. Don't give me this "blood for oil" thing. If I was trading blood for oil I would've already seized Iraq's oil fields and let the rest of the country go to hell. And don't give me this 'Bush Lied People Died' crap either. If I was the liar you morons take me for, I could've easily had chemical weapons planted in Iraq so they could be 'discovered.' Instead, I owned up to the fact that the intelligence was faulty. Let me remind you that the rest of the world thought Saddam had the goods, same as me. Let me also remind you that regime change in Iraq was official US policy before I came into office. Some guy named 'Clinton' established that policy. Bet you didn't know that, did you?
You idiots need to understand that we face a unique enemy. Back during the cold war, there were two major competing political and economic models squaring off. We won that war, but we did so because fundamentally, the Communists wanted to survive, just as we do. We were simply able to outspend and out-tech them.
That's not the case this time. The soldiers of our new enemy don't care if they survive. In fact, they want to die. That'd be fine, as long as they weren't also committed to taking as many of you with them as they can. But they are. They want to kill you. And the bastards are all over the globe.
You should be grateful that they haven't gotten any more of us here in the United States since September 11. But you're not. That's because you've got no idea how hard a small number of intelligence, military, law enforcement and homeland security people have worked to make sure of that. When this whole mess started, I warned you that this would be a long and difficult fight. I'm disappointed how many of you people think a long and difficult fight amounts to a single season of 'Survivor'.
Instead, you've grown impatient. You're incapable of seeing things through the long lens of history, the way our enemies do. You think that wars should last a few months, a few years, tops.
Making matters worse, you actively support those who help the enemy. Every time you buy the New York Times, every time you send a donation to a cut-and-run Democrat's political campaign, well, dammit, you might just as well Fedex a grenade launcher to a Jihadist. It amounts to the same thing.
In this day and age, it's easy enough to find the truth. It's all over the Internet. It just isn't on the pages of the New York Times or on NBC News. But even if it were, I doubt you'd be any smarter. Most of you would rather watch American Idol.
I could say more about your expectations that the government will always be there to bail you out, even if you're too stupid to leave a city that's below sea level and has a hurricane approaching. I could say more about your insane belief that government, not your own wallet, is where the money comes from. But I've come to the conclusion that were I to do so, it would sail right over your heads.
So I quit. I'm going back to Crawford. I've got an energy-efficient house down there (Al Gore could only dream) and the capability to be fully self-sufficient. No one ever heard of Crawford before I got elected, and as soon as I'm done here pretty much no one will ever hear of it again. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to die of old age before the last pillars of America fall.
Oh, and by the way, Cheney's quitting too. That means Pelosi is your new President. You asked for it. Watch what she does carefully, because I still have a glimmer of hope that there just enough of you remaining who are smart enough to turn this thing around in 2008.
So that's it. God bless what's left of America. Some of you know what I mean.
Oh yeah. Yup yup yup!!!
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So.... Muslim automatically means terrorist now? Automatically means something bad in this country? Are you KIDDING me???? Is that what I'm reading??? There are people who practice the Muslim faith that had NOTHING to do with 9/11, that have nothing to do with what's going on in Iraq, and that have nothing to do with what's going in with our economy! Since when did this become a Muslim-bashing board?
It's BULLSHIT.
You don't want to vote for someone-- fine, don't vote for them. But have the balls and the brains to base it on something OTHER than their religion--- like their voting record, their policies, etc. It's makes me more angry than I can say that I even feel the need to post this, that I would even have to come close to posting it.
If you feel that I am unloading both barrels on you-- I am. What if someone who practiced the Muslim faith happened across this thread? Someone who had done nothing but grow up with a particular belief different from your own, yet was a law-abiding American. Imagine how that person would feel.
I'm so 'glad' to know that I went to Iraq in the hopes of helping end a conflict, got blown to hell and gone, and returned home only to see bigotry in my own backyard.
Yeah-- I'm pissed.
Very.
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So.... Muslim automatically means terrorist now? Automatically means something bad in this country? Are you KIDDING me???? Is that what I'm reading??? There are people who practice the Muslim faith that had NOTHING to do with 9/11, that have nothing to do with what's going on in Iraq, and that have nothing to do with what's going in with our economy! Since when did this become a Muslim-bashing board?
It's BULLSHIT.
You don't want to vote for someone-- fine, don't vote for them. But have the balls and the brains to base it on something OTHER than their religion--- like their voting record, their policies, etc. It's makes me more angry than I can say that I even feel the need to post this, that I would even have to come close to posting it.
If you feel that I am unloading both barrels on you-- I am. What if someone who practiced the Muslim faith happened across this thread? Someone who had done nothing but grow up with a particular belief different from your own, yet was a law-abiding American. Imagine how that person would feel.
I'm so 'glad' to know that I went to Iraq in the hopes of helping end a conflict, got blown to hell and gone, and returned home only to see bigotry in my own backyard.
Yeah-- I'm pissed.
Very.
I am not anti-Obama because of his faith.
I am not anti-Obama because of race and/or color.
I am anti-Obama because he is a liar, manipulator, his woman is anti-white, he seems to favor socialism via fascist methods, he will not pledge allegiance to our Flag, he turns his back on our Troops unless there is political gain for himself, I feel he will sell out our Nation, weaken our Nation, and open our Nation up to collapse from within and invasion from without.
Basically I am anti-Obama because I feel he is a horse's ass... and guess what.... that is a belief based upon the fundimentals you and every other member of our Armed Forces have placed themselves in harms way for.
Freedom.
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As I posted-- if you don't like someone based on their policies or their records-- fine. Got no problem with that.
Have a major problem with posts on this board with people pigeon-holing others based on a what a group of people have done/are doing who happen to practice the Muslim faith.
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I tend not to post to political discussion like these, as I tend to go a bit overboard... but I am breaking my silence and posting...
I agree with what RAGNAR has just posted... Obama isn't good for this country, he will raise taxes on anything and everything, he has lied countless times in the past two months through his political ads and words said at rallies, and I hate to say this, but he skirted around the issue that McCain brought up at the debate, asking him to retract his words spoken about Palin or about McCain himself, I can't fully remember right now, my bad I know... but he skirted around McCain's askance of Obama to retract what he said, and he didn't, he glossed over it.. That is when I drew the line... McCain apologized to Obama for the woman that accused him of being an Arab...
I am not and will not say he's a Muslim, as far as I know he's a Christian, born and raised in the USA yes, his father is from Kenya, but his mother is from the states, born in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas... Every candidate will have something against him.. I just don't agree with his ideas for running this country....
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Please, read my post CAREFULLY before replying-- as I have said twice now-- if you dislike a candidate based on their policies, political ideals or records-- FINE. I've got no problem with that.
I personally do not care whom anyone is voting for. Your choice is your own.
Disliking someone based on their religion is ludicrous.
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I don't dislike people because of their faith... I am far from prejudice.. and had He or ANY other candidate tossed around the BS as he has.. I'd say the same.. I am not upset at his faith.. I don't care who you believe in.. be it God... or the tooth fairy.. what I do believe in... is this is AMERICA... the USA... and should be governed by those at least who believe in God... Country and FREEDOM... my Father.. and Grandfather and even some of the Women of my family have fought hard to keep America Free...
IF I don't wish A Muslim running my Country.. [Knowing how the Muslim Nations HATE my Country and My Soldiers] thats my choice... doesn't mean I hate him for his religion.. I believe I stated my reasons.. such as taxes abortion his refusal to pledge to the flag or say his oath on the bible... my statement of fact that he is neither democrat, republican or independant.. but Muslin.. had no hate words.. no "I "kill you" words nothing.. it was mere statement of fact....
I didn't come here to argue.. I came here to post my feelings.. I didn't come here to get slammed or my head ripped off... I came here to express that Freedom of Speech that my Forefathers have fought so hard for....
if I don't wish a Muslim to run my country.. thats MY RIGHT as an American...
do I hate Muslims? no..... But I do love my country... Muslims have their countries to run.. America ISN'T one of 57... it has 50 states...
And whether people like it OR not... America was founded on "IN God We trust"
Don't believe in the Flag.. leave
Don't believe in what America stands for... leave
Don't like that American's want those that love America in the White House.. leave...
Obama has proven what and who he is.. ...
anyway.. end rant... this isn't to get people stirred up.. but my thoughts.. as an educated, free Native American... who loves my freedom.. and life here.
I won't be posting further on this topic...
God Bless America...
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-Disclamer- I have very strange views so this might come off as a little blood boling...
Why does eveyone keep talking about obama not standing for the pledge of allegance?
I havent stood for the pledge since the fourth grade, why? because I believe in a seperation of church and state. God does not belong in the public schools I went to... dont belong in the pledge we give to the flag that stands for our country. But alas I am entitled to my opionion, I have friends in the armed forces that will not go to baseball games with me because I wont stand... I dont stand for the national anthem either... I do not discourage anyone else from their beliefes... but I think that we should not let our personal religious belifes run our nation.
Religion and the goverment should be seperate...
Meaning...
that is shouldnt matter if someone is a Musulim... a Christian or a Catholic... someone whos Jewish, Agnostic... Athestic.... hell if one of the canidates was a believer of the speghetti monster I wouldnt care...
a canidate should not be looked down upon for his belifes.... at this time... he is not doing anything against his country... hes not sitting in a cave making videos... so then he shouldnt be looked at as some kind of terrorist...
also... please do not make assumptions about a religion if you dont know anything about it...
Has anyone here read the Quran? how about the bible?
if youve read the bible but not the Quran, there is no where for you to open your mouth.... because you cant say that apples are better then oranges if youve never had a orange before in your life...
So please... when any of you that is dissing Obama for "being a muslim" has taken a few trips to the mosque... fasted for Ramadan... and read the Quran... go ahead and be entitled to say what you wish about Mulims... at least then you will know about their belifes...
Last I checked America was a land of equality... if so... why cant we have RELIGIOUS equality?
you all wanna hate Obama for the fact that he dont stand for the allegance.. or the national anthem... or wont sware on the bible... fine... hate me too...
but dont take me to court... cause I cant be sworn in... its why I wont do jury duty...
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I read through your stuff, and would appreciate you taking the time to look at my counter points in the form of videos. I think everyone knows me as a fair and balanced human being. But I implore you to take the time to watch these videos.
Obama won't say the pledge?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fx16ZxFB4w
Here he is leading the Senate in the Pledge of Allegiance(at about 1:37):(Note he says Amen after the guest chaplain finishes her prayer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIyBwkuqF4E
This CNN report clears up issues about him being sworn in with a Koran, him being a Muslim, him going to a Muslim school ect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x1y-YymaXM
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this thread is starting to sound like the venting thread, in not so many words...maybe they should be merged?
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I don't dislike people because of their faith... I am far from prejudice.. and had He or ANY other candidate tossed around the BS as he has.. I'd say the same.. I am not upset at his faith.. I don't care who you believe in.. be it God... or the tooth fairy.. what I do believe in... is this is AMERICA... the USA... and should be governed by those at least who believe in God... Country and FREEDOM... my Father.. and Grandfather and even some of the Women of my family have fought hard to keep America Free...
IF I don't wish A Muslim running my Country.. [Knowing how the Muslim Nations HATE my Country and My Soldiers] thats my choice... doesn't mean I hate him for his religion.. I believe I stated my reasons.. such as taxes abortion his refusal to pledge to the flag or say his oath on the bible... my statement of fact that he is neither democrat, republican or independant.. but Muslin.. had no hate words.. no "I "kill you" words nothing.. it was mere statement of fact....
I didn't come here to argue.. I came here to post my feelings.. I didn't come here to get slammed or my head ripped off... I came here to express that Freedom of Speech that my Forefathers have fought so hard for....
if I don't wish a Muslim to run my country.. thats MY RIGHT as an American...
do I hate Muslims? no..... But I do love my country... Muslims have their countries to run.. America ISN'T one of 57... it has 50 states...
And whether people like it OR not... America was founded on "IN God We trust"
Don't believe in the Flag.. leave
Don't believe in what America stands for... leave
Don't like that American's want those that love America in the White House.. leave...
Obama has proven what and who he is.. ...
anyway.. end rant... this isn't to get people stirred up.. but my thoughts.. as an educated, free Native American... who loves my freedom.. and life here.
I won't be posting further on this topic...
God Bless America...
You don't hate Muslims... but you don't post anything showing that you possess any knowledge of their faith or of their beliefs. What has been posted are very broad, very generalized statements of a self-proclaimed educated 'Native American'. And you assume that, by your own quote, Muslims hate America.
Newsflash: Not every person of the Muslim religion hates America or Americans. But with narrow-minded viewpoints like this-- yeah, I can see why some might.
Many Muslims have seen this country for what it is: a place to get away from forms of opression-- like religious opression. That's what our country was founded on.
Another newsflash: Obama is running on democratic ticket. Not the Muslim ticket.
And you're absolutely right: you do have every right not to want someone to run 'your' country. But the deal is.. this isn't just 'your' country. No where on the Statue of Liberty is it inscribed "Give me your tired, your poor.. but only if they believe as I do".
I'm quoting you here: "Muslims have their countries to run... America isn't one of the 57..... it has 50 states". Take a good look around you-- the Muslim faith is all around you, just as the Jewish faith is, the Christian, the Buddhist, etc, etc, etc. This country was not built by WASPS alone! Neither should it be governed by WASPS alone.
If you don't like other faiths-- you're in the wrong country.
If you can't open your mind to other people-- you're in the wrong country.
If you think this country should be run based on narrow views of who should be running it-- you're in the wrong country.
I too am indulging my right to freedom of speech. I will continue to do so against any and all forms of bigotry I see and hear, no matter how small or how big. That anyone thinks this country should only be ran by certain people of certain faiths-- is absurd and in MY viewpoint-- highly UN-American. The reason we split from merry old England back in the day aside from taxation was because of religious opression.
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no kiah, they should not be merged.
This is a political discussion thread.. and political discussion is usually always heated. This discussion is especially heated because this election will have an extremely prominent place in the history books. We will either have a woman as Vice President for the first time in history, or we will be in a hell of a mess.. *G*
When I started this thread, I was thoroughly angry at Obama, and I was insulted by his lack of concern for who he thought he was fooling. I mean, come on, whether you are blue, green, purple, Catholic, Protestant, Atheist, or Pagan, IF you have been educated in any Elementary school in the USA, you would know that there are 50 states in the United States of America.
At the very least, you should be able to count to 50 slots on your State Coins map, or even realize that 5 quarters a year, times 10 years to collect them is 50 and since this is a Department of the U.S. TREASURY program, the man wishing to be in charge of that department SHOULD KNOW 50.
After watching, and listening, and absorbing all the debates, and even the VP debate, and after keeping up with this whole election, and reading up on background info, and watching public appearances and speeches.
I still do not believe Obama should be running the country.
While his wife refers to me as a "whitey", he sits in the last debate whining that McCain's advertising is picking on him, and he inferred that Palin was a pig with lipstick, but that is supposed to be just fine. If you can dish it, you can have it to eat or you can shut the f**k up and sit down.
I listened to him say he was all about cutting funding for the military, NOT JUST cutting down forces in IRAQ, or getting us out of IRAQ, but cutting funding for our military. IF you believe that some of our forces went into Iraq with outdated and inadequate equipment, just wait till he cuts funding more.
I listened to him say "we have to fund this program, and create that program, and spend on this and spend on that" but WHERE the HECK do you all think that funding is gonna come from?? The money tree in the back yard of the White house? NO.. It will come off of your back and mine. He certainly isn't gonna spend his own money or his buddies money.
He lies with a smile on his face about issues, while if you look at his track record, you can see it.
If he will lie to me now, he will certainly lie to me later. I KNOW a snake before I pick it up.
And Dylan... Anyone can play the game AFTER they are called on the carpet for simple issues just to calm the waves of of the storm. Early on, in this campaign, while he was still Hillary's opponent, I WATCHED appearances where he would NOT pledge, etc. It wasn't until the media jumped on that, that he played the game.
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The one link where he is saying the pledge was in June of 2007, he announced his candidacy in Feb of 2007. Somehow I don't think in those 4 months he just decided to fall in line. Something tells me he was saying it all along. He's a Senator in the US Senate. He's a public servant. It wasn't by happenstance he was elected. Right now Obama is leading in the polls. If that trend continues, he'll be the next President. People want change, and Senator McCain is just more of the last 8 years. Ultimately we'll just have to wait and see what the people decide.
~D~
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since this is America (i live in it, expressing my ideas in it) and this is Webmaze (and i couldn't find any rules regarding the political posts, i am free to express my opinion...
...even if it is against the Ubar, Ubara and Ubar's slave, right?...did i say that outloud? how dare me.
i mean, nothing in r/t effects r/p right? and this is a r/t board not r/p, right?...just making sure...~soft laugh~...remember, it's my question/thought/belief that i am free to state...(how many times have you actually said that in r/t...just wondering)
my problem is, i've learned more about the people behind the characters on this thread then i ever would during r/p. i've learned i really don't like some of your beliefs and since they are so passionately defended, i probably wouldn't be your friend. oh, i've been owned by Someone before who is very opinionated about most things, especially politics in which we disagreed on much yet it didn't effect our relationship, so don't try to say i have to agree on everything you say/believe/do to be your friend or Owned but let's face it, most true friends have similar VALUES even if they don't have the same political party.
if you were my true friend i would politely take your political printouts at first, read a few just because i like to read/hear other opinions but after the first five or so, i would tell you no thank you, that's enough, and when you continued, tell you what you can do with them.
if you were my friend i would sadly chuckle when you tell me that equality in America exists. great idea but not very 'realistic' and i believe you could agree. our country is better than any other for a lot of reasons and in a lot of things, but equality? no, i don't think so
if you were my friend i would thank you for serving our country. i genuinely thank you, and anyone, who serves/d this country and the good of its people, in ANY way, but it doesn't make your opinion weigh anymore than anyone elses.
if you were my friend i would tell you how silly you sound for thinking ANY candidate is not a liar, cheater, stealer, or do anything else bad for his own good, i mean the good of this country. some just hide it better or have better speech writers.
if you were my friend, i would thank you for watching your language while holding your opinion and trying to respect mine. did any candidate have to swear to sway your vote? (and for those who think i'm kissing his butt by saying that, can kiss mine)
tell me i put too much of 'myself' into my character in gor and i will quickly agree.
thank you for showing your true selves here
doesn't change my vote in November. doesn't change my hopes for America. but it's changed something in me...just have to figure out what...
heated political discussion...i understand....but some things on this thread...i don't and never will
i too will be 'taking a few fucking days off' and 'wont post on this topic again'..gee that was easy, almost fun, to use someone else's words for my own benefit...~smirks~...didn't want you to think i completely lost my sense of humor...there i set you up for a good reply
typist behind kiah{MTC}
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-Disclamer- I have very strange views so this might come off as a little blood boling...
Why does eveyone keep talking about obama not standing for the pledge of allegance?
I havent stood for the pledge since the fourth grade, why? because I believe in a seperation of church and state. God does not belong in the public schools I went to... dont belong in the pledge we give to the flag that stands for our country. But alas I am entitled to my opionion, I have friends in the armed forces that will not go to baseball games with me because I wont stand... I dont stand for the national anthem either... I do not discourage anyone else from their beliefes... but I think that we should not let our personal religious belifes run our nation.
you all wanna hate Obama for the fact that he dont stand for the allegance.. or the national anthem... or wont sware on the bible... fine... hate me too...
but dont take me to court... cause I cant be sworn in... its why I wont do jury duty...
The Pledge of Alligiance
The Pledge of Allegiance was first recited in 1892, the year it was first written. The author was Francis Bellamy, a Baptist minister from New York. Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association.
Public schools all around the country were preparing a celebration in honor of the 400th anniversary of Columbus Day. Bellamy wanted a special celebration, and he wanted to center it around a flag-raising ceremony and salute. With this in mind, he wrote his pledge:
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Notice the words "my flag." They stayed this way in the Pledge until 1924, when a National Flag Conference announced that the words "my flag" would be changed to "the flag of the United States of America."
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
The Pledge stayed this way until 1954, when Congress added the words "under God." This was the final change, giving the Pledge its current wording:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Schoolkids all across the United States recite the Pledge of Allegiance at school, usually in the morning. But they don't have to.
Way back in 1943, the Supreme Court ruled that schools couldn't require students to recite the Pledge. Today, only half of the 50 states have laws that require kids to recite the Pledge.
Standing for the Pledge of Allegiance, and standing for the National Anthem is about "dancing with the one that brought you" .. so to speak. It is about RESPECT
Let's look at it like this.. eh?
A Pledge is a promise, an oath, a swearing of loyalty... It should be something that you believe and speak from within. Placing your hand over your heart when uttering this pledge is a way of declaring your seriousness about it.
You wanna live here, you want to enjoy all the freedoms that being an American offers, but you don't care enough about this country and those freedoms to pledge your loyalty to it?
"The Star-Spangled Banner" was recognized for official use by the Navy in 1889 and the President in 1916, and was made the national anthem by a congressional resolution on March 3, 1931 (46 Stat. 1508, codified at 36 U.S.C. § 301), which was signed by President Herbert Hoover.
United States Code, 36 U.S.C. § 301, states that during the playing of "The Star Spangled Banner" (United States National Anthem) when the flag is displayed, everyone except those in uniform should stand at attention while facing the flag with their right hand over their heart. Those in attendance who are not in uniform should remove any headwear with their right hand and hold it at their left shoulder, with their right hand held over their heart. Individuals in uniform should show the military salute during the first note of the anthem and stay in this position until the last note. If the flag is not displayed, people in attendance should face the music and respond as if the flag were present.
The Star-Spangled Banner Lyrics
O! say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming.
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming.
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
Is your lack of respect for their lives all they really were fighting for?
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The one link where he is saying the pledge was in June of 2007, he announced his candidacy in Feb of 2007. Somehow I don't think in those 4 months he just decided to fall in line. Something tells me he was saying it all along. He's a Senator in the US Senate. He's a public servant. It wasn't by happenstance he was elected. Right now Obama is leading in the polls. If that trend continues, he'll be the next President. People want change, and Senator McCain is just more of the last 8 years. Ultimately we'll just have to wait and see what the people decide.
~D~
*grins*
well, actually, his political career as a Senator for Illinois got started by a huge sex scandal.. LOL
His opponent for that election was a massive blowout favorite.. Pretty much assured the win, Obama was basically a placeholder on the ballot so there was some choice..
Then, the other guy got caught with his pants down and willy out and the tide turned fast, furiously, and without hesitation. ... Obama got the job..
LOL
damn Democrats.. *G*.. you know there'll be more cigars in the Oval Office...
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since this is America (i live in it, expressing my ideas in it) and this is Webmaze (and i couldn't find any rules regarding the political posts, i am free to express my opinion...
...even if it is against the Ubar, Ubara and Ubar's slave, right?...did i say that outloud? how dare me.
i mean, nothing in r/t effects r/p right? and this is a r/t board not r/p, right?...just making sure...~soft laugh~...remember, it's my question/thought/belief that i am free to state...(how many times have you actually said that in r/t...just wondering)
my problem is, i've learned more about the people behind the characters on this thread then i ever would during r/p. i've learned i really don't like some of your beliefs and since they are so passionately defended, i probably wouldn't be your friend. oh, i've been owned by Someone before who is very opinionated about most things, especially politics in which we disagreed on much yet it didn't effect our relationship, so don't try to say i have to agree on everything you say/believe/do to be your friend or Owned but let's face it, most true friends have similar VALUES even if they don't have the same political party.
if you were my true friend i would politely take your political printouts at first, read a few just because i like to read/hear other opinions but after the first five or so, i would tell you no thank you, that's enough, and when you continued, tell you what you can do with them.
if you were my friend i would sadly chuckle when you tell me that equality in America exists. great idea but not very 'realistic' and i believe you could agree. our country is better than any other for a lot of reasons and in a lot of things, but equality? no, i don't think so
if you were my friend i would thank you for serving our country. i genuinely thank you, and anyone, who serves/d this country and the good of its people, in ANY way, but it doesn't make your opinion weigh anymore than anyone elses.
if you were my friend i would tell you how silly you sound for thinking ANY candidate is not a liar, cheater, stealer, or do anything else bad for his own good, i mean the good of this country. some just hide it better or have better speech writers.
if you were my friend, i would thank you for watching your language while holding your opinion and trying to respect mine. did any candidate have to swear to sway your vote? (and for those who think i'm kissing his butt by saying that, can kiss mine)
tell me i put too much of 'myself' into my character in gor and i will quickly agree.
thank you for showing your true selves here
doesn't change my vote in November. doesn't change my hopes for America. but it's changed something in me...just have to figure out what...
heated political discussion...i understand....but some things on this thread...i don't and never will
i too will be 'taking a few fucking days off' and 'wont post on this topic again'..gee that was easy, almost fun, to use someone else's words for my own benefit...~smirks~...didn't want you to think i completely lost my sense of humor...there i set you up for a good reply
typist behind kiah{MTC}
My my my.... where to begin.
I guess I will just lay it out for you.
This is here in the OOC area... and has been allowed to continue as an avenue to vent, speak out for or against, etc... in order to keep it all out of our vt room. It has no place in Gor, on role play etc.
So having said that... seeing your post more in the light of a means for you to thumb your nose at some sort of authority.... come off as a smart alec... and draw into the OOC area the IC aspect portrayed in our room... All I can say is enjoy your time away until you are mature and in enough control of yourself to seperate real time earth from the arena of role play Gor.
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All I can say is enjoy your time away until you are mature and in enough control of yourself to separate real time earth from the arena of role play Gor
or what, 'kiah{MTC}' will be killed? ignored?
i stand by my beliefs in all of my posts...i'm glad i said them out loud and not just whispered or thought them..the only thing i could be sorry about is if i did not speak up
You have the power to ban, be sarcastic or anything else you wish, IC and on these boards, because of your position in the room and WM.
if that does not intimidate some people from posting their true beliefs on any post here
then i must be....living in a fantasy world
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since this is America (i live in it, expressing my ideas in it) and this is Webmaze (and i couldn't find any rules regarding the political posts, i am free to express my opinion...
...even if it is against the Ubar, Ubara and Ubar's slave, right?...did i say that outloud? how dare me.
i mean, nothing in r/t effects r/p right? and this is a r/t board not r/p, right?...just making sure...~soft laugh~...remember, it's my question/thought/belief that i am free to state...(how many times have you actually said that in r/t...just wondering)
typist behind kiah{MTC}
yes, kiah, you are free to express your opinion. And yes, this is an OOC board, and what is expressed here is not part of roleplay.
And just because your opinion and my opinion are not the same when it comes to politics, it doesn't change anything at all.. I imagine my opinion that my favorite color and yours are different, and that my favorite hockey team and yours aren't the same, nor would be our favorite ice cream, or what we consider to be a handsome or attractive man. That is one of the precious gifts of being human. The one precious gift that God gave us over the animals. Choice.
Even my daughter and I don't agree on this issue. I have had fight after fight with her over this... and NOT because she wants to vote Democrat.... but... in fact... because
she won't even register to vote at all. She seems to believe that if you register to vote, then you can be called for jury duty and she doesn't ever want to be called for jury duty and so won't even register to vote. I can't even begin to tell you how pissy I am about that.. because EVERYONE should exercise their right to vote.
Do I love her any less.. nope..
I only look at myself and wonder where I went wrong on this one, or where her father went wrong, because we have both always voted and always encouraged her to get involved in these things.
I relish my family and friends and their differences of opinion. I might not always like the choices they make, but I love them just the same.
I had to laugh at the "did I say that outloud" part.. I say that at work all the time when I let my mind speak before my tact gets in control of it..
Again, I keep thinking back to why I started this thread..it was over the number 50. I didn't even know there were 57 Islamic states till people here informed me. I just knew that his statement about campaigning in all 57 states, except Alaska and Hawaii because they were advised it would be dangerous stuck in my craw for 2 reasons.
1. I didn't even want to think about someone being in charge of my economy that didn't understand 50 states.. If you can't count 50, how can you count billions... *G*
2. I have lived over half of my life in Alaska, and I was insulted that he was scared of a place I could walk safely through blindfolded and in my sleep... LOL
I am sorry that you feel I have stepped out and stepped on your life. But I am still gonna debate this political thing, and with fervor.
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I relish my family and friends and their differences of opinion. I might not always like the choices they make, but I love them just the same.
ah loves you too!
thats why its ok that we have wayyyyyyy diffrent views on politics...! but... going back to the origional point...
I cannnot get a friggin hawaii quarter! if its this hard to get the last one, how will I ever get seven more?!
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Hawaii hasn't been released by the Feds yet.. *G*..
You can keep track at http://www.usmint.gov/index.cfm?flash=yes
The US Mint site. . click on the link for coins and then the 50 state quarter program and then the 10 year release schedule..
*G*
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You have the power to ban, be sarcastic or anything else you wish, IC and on these boards, because of your position in the room and WM.
if that does not intimidate some people from posting their true beliefs on any post here
then i must be....living in a fantasy world
sorry kiah sis but the words above are wrong, this is a ooc board and Rags does not intimidate anyone for posting what they believe in, He does not use His power of position, that is my findings anyway
kadi
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gonna place this here as mere observation...not in the great debate of things...
I seem to see.. if I have or others have a strong view on things.. that others don't like.. I am called names... I believe Bigot and a few others have been used concerning me...
I have not once.. called anyone on these boards one name... nor have I out right been nasty to anyone.. I've not used another's words for quote nor have I..well.. blasted anyone for their beliefs...
I am ashamed to read some of the stuff I've read on here... that because I have a difference of opinion.. I may not be worthy to be someone's friend.. or that my "narrow minded" self is the cause of people looking badly on America???
I am sorry to inform you of this slight fact here... but...
You don't know me... I am not so eloquent with words.. and I've never been to Iraq.. I've never done or been many things in my life.. but I have and will always be.. Honest... Loyal.. Faithful...Loving.. Kind.. and Understanding.. I have Compassion and even for those I whole heartedly believe in.. would I die to defend their freedoms should I have to...
I will not be called names.. not here.. or anywhere... YOU don't like my thoughts... don't read them... Don't respond to them.. don't give them another thought....
You calling me names won't change my views.. but it does add a different light to your character how ever...
slave.. Free... young.. old.. green yellow black or white.... we are what America is about... and my views may not be liked by some.. but I am not the only one who thinks them..
but before you go running off at the mouth calling me names... might wanna step back and check yourself.... I am not the enemy... and you will NEVER find in my words half the crap I was accused of above.. as saying... DON'T add words to things I've said... the buck stops here...
if you don't wish to be my friend because I don't agree with Obama being president.. by all means.. don't let the door hitcha where the good Lord splitcha... if my so called friends and family can't love me inspite of my faults... then they can't love me at all....if they can't agree to disagree with me.. then.. thats their problem..
When I lay my head down at night. I sleep well.. because I have nothing to be ashamed of....
and even tho you've called me uncalled for names... I won't hold it against you.... because I am above that behavior.. but I will say this...
keep your name calling out of it... or at least your name calling at me... this isn't High School any more... and I believe we are all supposed to be adults...
now.. I enjoy watching the debate.... its been eye opening in more than one way... thanks for the info prism.. your on it ...
the typist of sin
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*shakes my head as I read*
In my SEVERAL years alive...and as a voting citizen, I have discovered that rants and opinionated fights among people do very little to change political views. All it does is cause hurt feelings and destroy friendships, as we have seen on this thread. And I don't want to hear lies and half-truths about EITHER candidate. I feel I am intelligent enough to research the issues myself and make my own decisions.
I take my RESPONSIBILITY to vote very seriously. I, however, don't feel the need to take sides on this board. Suffice it to say that I DO intend to cast my vote on November 4.
I also don't think I will read this thread any longer because I count everyone in MTC as my friend, and won't have what I have seen here so far influence my friendships.
Perhaps we need to concentrate on encouraging people to take their RESPONSIBILITY seriously, and voice their opinions by casting their vote, instead of listening to...and espousing to....all of the bi-partisan media hype and negative advertisements.
NightStorm
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sin- you are more then entitled to your opionions... it dont matter who you are.. you are entitled to have your opionions...
according to your first amendment rights you also have the freedom of speech.
(a link in case anyone wants to read up on those said rights - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment )
now... if someone was to say something about your belifes... I would assume that they have the freedom to...
just remember, your views are your views, you are entitled to them, and speaking for myself here... Im still gonna love you and still consider you family no matter what, your polital belifes are your own, and as long as you can respect that I dont have the same views as you, then everything is ok.
I whole heartly respect your views. no matter how I feel on the matter... and truth be told... while reading this topic, (not just your posts but all the posts) there have been times that I have cursed at the screen.
from the looks of it I am a minority here... I am a very liberal registered democrat.
but does my family hate be because I dont stand for the pledge? I would sure hope not. and I doubt that anyone would would. because they have respected my views. they have however (espically in woobies case) provided me with information that may or may not have brodened my horizons...
but I do agree... name calling can be hurtful. but please think on this...
-if we get hurt when someone calls us a mean name... why do we use names like them to refer to a man that has the potential to be the leader of the country?-
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so... back to politics...
any other states have someting similar to california's prop 8 comming to the ballot?
I was just wondering because its something thats becomming a huge debate here in cali...
also- I am voting no on prop eight.
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Hrmmm...
Saw this thread when it was first posted.
Saw it stay near the top, someone always posting.
Vote or not, it is a choice.
Belief or not, that is a choice.
Name calling or not, that too is a choice.
Responding to a thread that is also a choice.
All in all, I don't much care for politics. I am registered to vote because I did so when I turned 18 and the fact that I served in the military. I can say I don't care for any of the candidates or their issues or stances in debates or on funding. If I want to complain about things, it's probably because I like to hear my own voice and because Im fucking funny as all hell.
Bottom line is, everyone lies. Who can you believe in? Whatever, who cares? This nation was founded on good intentions and hopeful beliefs. Everything else is just political or religious scrutiny.
No matter what anyone's views are on the presidential elections, senatorial, or any elections, I can express my right to not listen, watch or honestly care.
You all seem to take too many things out of context.
Arguing, whining, bitching, lecturing, observing, replying, instigating, defending, offending, name-calling, praising, siding, out of character, realtime, head aches from thinking, arthritis or carpal tunnel from typing. Whatever your pleasure or your pain, what I've gotten out of all this is....
I feel it was just a waste of time, and I just added to the clutter of the board on POLITICS.
Good God.
Good Allah.
Good Buddah.
Good to whomever or whatever you pray or worship to.
I feel like I got bent over and just got fucked royally from reading all this and actually responding to it. And I didn't even get dinner and a movie. Damnit.
I like the 99 cent menu. I'm cheap. Sheesh.
Seriously though, I think everyone should take a few days off from this thread.
Ya'll are just going to hurt each others feelings with misconstrued or misinterpretted meanings.
Blah.
Raz
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-Inspects my post-
I do not believe I called anyone a bigot. Did I say I would speak out against any and all forms of bigotry-- absolutely. It is how I feel.
Please do not read more into things then what I put down on these boards.
I am opinionated enough that if I mean to call somebody a name-- I will.
I have stated my position. That is the end of it for me.
Be well people.
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*putting this here to keep all the politics in one place*
Proposition 8 is an initiative measure on the 2008 California General Election ballot titled "Eliminates Right of Same-Sex Couples to Marry."[1][2] A new section would be added to the California Constitution stating "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."[3]
The measure was submitted for the ballot by petitioners with the title "California Marriage Protection Act."[4] The title and summary were revised by Attorney General Jerry Brown to more "accurately reflect the measure."[5] The Superior Court of California ruled in favor of these changes, stating, "The title and summary is not false or misleading because it states that Proposition 8 would 'eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry' in California. The California Supreme Court unequivocally held that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry under the California Constitution."
The way I read it, and all the background info provided by Wikipedia, if you vote NO, you want to continue to allow same sex marriage, and a yes vote would eliminate that option.
We don't have that sort of issue here on the ballot in Ohio. I am not sure if any other states do. Although I am not a resident of Cali (been there, done that, don't need a video *G*) it is an interesting proposition.
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yeppers Woobie... its sparking alot of religious debate here in cali... but I was really wondering if any of the other states had soemthing similar
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we have an amendment coming up as well... I believe.. and I do have the sign on my front lawn.. keeping Marriage as it was ment to be... good bad and ugly..chuckles
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yes FL has one on the ballot too. You know did you choose who you fell in love with or did it just happen? I have not right to tell someone they can not love somebody or pledge their love to that person. I can not judge that is in the Bible.
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*ponders if I can just marry myself because I loves me*
Raz
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Well, you can't marry me, I am holding out for Bubby!! LOL
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awww poor Raz... I would offer... but well you know how I feel about little towns...
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i would offer but dont do the long distance stuff, stowsaway on first flight out to usa lol
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i would offer, but wouldn't want you to laugh..-winks-
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*ponders if I can just marry myself because I loves me*
Raz
You could...marry someone just like you....in Massachusetts.. :P
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*ponders if I can just marry myself because I loves me*
Raz
You could...marry someone just like you....in Massachusetts.. :P
or in cali! Pandi! im stealing you away!
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*sees that Colin Powell sold out*
*sad face*
It reminds me of that scene in 300 where the Persian guy tells the King of Sparta that he has but to kneel and all the world will be placed at his feet..
*shakes head*
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This thread is locked.
No further political discussion is permitted.