Questions

[Shadow duck]

Greetings ( with rt movement restricted my mind finds so many unanswered questions)
Ok here goes * grins*  could tuchuk survive staying in one place longer than two seasons?? Is there still need to comings to migrate?? Could there not be some form of permanent home set up?? Or is this out of the question   I understand migration is usually to find better grazing for live stock and fresh foods for the people but would it not seem that sooner or later the herds would be so great that to move them would be difficult   Just wondering.  Also another thought I have been reading and researching the books again but I have not found where it states that slave wine is administered more than once unless it was removed by the serum to allow breeding can any one advise me where to find this oh and were not those of earth given this during transport?? I know those that were born on got must be given it if they are slave but still only once ( yes I know rambling sorry) anyway thank you for considering any responses

chanz.  ( hugs and kisses miss u all )

[razz|n.o.i.r]

Personally I feel Migration is a vital part of being a Tuchuk. The bosk herd's could move as well as the wagons. Not to mention the Peoples of Tuchuk are Nomadic. Being in one spot too long would make for a nasty welt in the flatlands, not to mention the stink after awhile.

just my 2c.

[familure{TD}]

hey duckie ~s~

The Bosk number in the tens of thousands, so anything longer than the 6 months we stay in place in rp would devastate the ecology and lead to Our demise. The Tuchuk are Nomads, it's such a deeply ingrained part of the culture that i don't think they could or would even be able to think of not doing it. By the books, Tuchuk migrated a lot, pretty much when ever the Bosk started to wander off in search of more/fresher food or water, not just the twice a year we do. Besides, Tuchuk aren't in control of when they actually move around - the Bosk themselves are. It's part of their natural survival instincts to move on when they need more to graze or even if the water sources get low. If the herds become too large?? the Southern Hemisphere of Gor is VAST...lots of land to graze. But, if due to a few years of idea weather and perfect rain fall for mucho grasses and the herd did become too large to be able to thrive on the plains? Well, nature takes over. Once 'normal' weather conditions happened, over grazing would cause malnutrition and even starvation in the herd, live birth rates would drop, calf survival would decrease, disease would begin to spread (things that happen with every species when they begin to take up too many resources.),  bringing the numbers back down to where the plains could once again support the beasties. So...to answer your question, nope, Tuchuk as a whole, wouldn't..more importantly...they couldn't stay put and become farmers.

As for the slave wine, in the first books of the series, slave wine only lasted for a month or so as seen here~

Slave wine is bitter, intentionally so.  Its effects lasts for more than a Gorean month.  I did not wish the females to conceive.   A female slave is taken off slave wine only when it is her master's intention to breed her."
 ---Marauders of Gor, p 23

In the later books...it seems to be a one shot deal (unless of course, breeding wine is given to counter act the effects).

Need I drink that? I asked, apprehensively.

Unless you have had slave wine," he said, "I have no intention of taking you through the streets clad as you are. Suppose you are raped." I put the flask, which he had opened, to my lips. Its opening was large enough to drink freely from. "It is bitter!" I said, touching my lips to it. "It is the standard concentration, and dosage," he said, "plus a little more, for assurance.

Its effect is indefinite, but it is normally renewed annually, primarily for symbolic purposes. I could not believe how bitter it was. I had learned from Susan, whom I had once questioned on the matter, the object.

It is prepared from a derivative of sip root. The formula, too, I had learned, at the insistence of masters and slavers, had been improved by the caste of physicians within the last few years. It was now, for most practical purposes, universally effective. Too, as Drusus Rencius bad mentioned, its effects, at least for most practical purposes, lasted indefinitely.
 ---Kajira of Gor, p 130

Have you had your slave wine?" asked Ina. "Yes," I said. This is not really wine, or an alcoholic beverage. It is called slave wine I think for the amusement of the Masters. It is extremely bitter. One draught of the substance is reputed to last until the administration of an appropriate releaser. In spite of this belief however or perhaps in deference to tradition, lingering from earlier times, in which, it seems less reliable slave wines were available, doses of this foul stuff are usually administered to female slaves at regular intervals usually once or twice a year. Some girls rather cynical ones, I suspect speculate that the Masters give it to them more often than necessary just because they enjoy watching them down the terrible stuff.
 ---Dancer of Gor pg 174

Why do we still do it? Master Ubar says so (<--my guess anyways ).

As an odd ball info thing....sip root (which slave wine is made from) can also be chewed in it's raw form for the same effects as slave wine. It's actually done that way in the Barrens

"We make them chew carefully and watch closely to see that they swallow, bit by bit, in small swallows, sip roots, as well," said another."We then examine their mouths, forcing them widely open, to determine that they have finished their entire allotment of the root," said another.I nodded. Sip roots are extremely bitter. Slave wine, incidentally, is made from sip roots. --Blood Brothers of Gor  p 124

~snugs and slips back to rt~

[Raziel]

As far as migration is concerned, the quote below was pulled off our webpages under Migration.  As you can see, the snows would brown the grass and animals would die because of lack of nutrient enriched grasses of the plains.  For Tuchuk to find a permanent home, they would have to move to the equator where winters would be null.  Now Tuchuk would have less lands to roam because of the Schendi jungles taking up most of the equatorial region.  Then you have the possibility that Tuchuk would be encroaching on lands belonging to other tribes.  Not to mention that there are 3 other plains peoples to contend with.  A decimation of the ecological system would be just one of the downsides of staying in one place.  The Tuchuk would have to try to replenish the grass all the while the bosk would eat and move slowly...needless to say, Tuchuk would still move because the bosk would be moving. 

“The winter came fiercely down on the herds some days before expected, with its fierce snows and the long winds that sometimes have swept twenty-five hundred pasangs across the prairies; snow covered the grass, brittle and brown already, and the herds were split into a thousand fragments, each with its own riders, spreading out over the prairie, pawing through the snow, snuffling about, pulling up and chewing the grass, mostly worthless and frozen. The animals began to die and the keening of women, crying as though the wagons were on fire and the Turians upon them, carried over the prairies. Thousands of the Wagon Peoples, free and slave, dug in the snow to find a handful of grass to feed their animals. Wagons had to be abandoned on the prairie, as there was no time to train new bosk to the harness, and the herds must needs keep moving.
“At last, seventeen days after the first snows, the edges of the herds began to reach their winter pastures far north of Turia, approaching the equator from the south. Here the snow was little more than frost that melted in the afternoon sun, and the grass was live and nourishing. Still farther north, another hundred pasangs, there was no snow and the peoples began to sing once more and dance about their fires of bosk dung.”— Nomads, 58

Slave Wine's distribution is dependent upon its mixture.  From lure's quotes and here....you can see the various books in which it is mentioned and to what effects it has.

Sip root, which is the main ingredient in its raw state alone can be a contraceptive....

She did not need the sip root, of course, for, as she had pointed out, she had had some within the moon, and indeed, the effect of sip root, in the raw state, in most women, is three or four moons.  In the concentrated state, as in slave wine, developed by the caste of physicians, the effect is almost indefinite, usually requiring a releaser for its remission, usually administered, to a slave, in what is called the breeding wine, or the “second wine.” - Blood Brothers

As lure already pointed out in this quote it is iffy of the duration as it states it lasts simply...more than a Gorean month.

"The two females," I told him, "have recently been free. Accordingly, as soon as they have been collared, force them to drink slave wine."
 "Yes, Captain," grinned Tab.
 Slave wine is bitter, intentionally so. Its effect lasts for more than a Gorean month. I did not wish the females to conceive. A female slave is taken off slave wine only when it is her master's intention to breed her. - Marauders of Gor   Book 9   Page 23

Here, the effect lasts several cycles, hypothetically we can assume several Gorean months....

"The effect of the slave wine endures several cycles, or moons; it may be counteracted by another drink, a smooth, sweet beverage, which frees the girl's body for the act of the male slave, or, in unusual cases, should she be freed, to the act of the lover; slave girls, incidentally, are almost never freed on Gor; they are too delicious and desirable to free; only a fool, it is commonly said, would free one." - Slave Girl of Gor   Book 11   Page 70

Again a reiteration of lures previous post.  Here, even though in the books in some places the effects of slave wine are said to be indefinite, it is still renewed annually, if for but symbolic purposes.

  

  "Drink this," said Drusus Rencius.
      What is it?" I asked, startled. It seemed he had produced this almost by magic. It was a soft, leather botalike flask drawn from within his tunic.
      "Slave wine," he said.
      "Need I drink that?" I asked, apprehensively.
      "Unless you have had slave wine," he said, "I have no intention of taking you through the streets clad as you are. Suppose you are raped."
      I put the flask, which he had opened, to my lips. Its opening was large enough to drink freely from. "It is bitter!" I said, touching my lips to it.
      "It is the standard concentration, and dosage," he said, "plus a little more, for assurance. Its effect is indefinite, but it is normally renewed annually, primarily for symbolic purposes.
      I could not believe how bitter it was. I had learned from Susan, whom I had once questioned on the matter, the objective and nature of slave wine. It is prepared from a derivative of sip root. The formula, too, I had learned, at the insistence of masters and slavers, had been improved by the caste of physicians within the last few years. It was now, for most practical purposes, universally effective. Too, as Drusus Rencius had mentioned, its effects, at least for most practical purposes, lasted indefinitely.
      "Have no fear," said Drusus Rencius. "The abatement of its effects is reliably achieved by the ingestion of a releaser."
      "Oh," I said. I knew this, of course. Susan had told me.
      When a female slave is given the releaser she knows that she may soon expect to be hooded, and bred.
      "Could it not be sweetened?" I asked.
      "I have chosen that you drink it as it is," be said, "as it is normally drunk."
Kajira of Gor   Book 19   Pages 130 - 131

In the raw state, the root will last some months....

Archon pressed two roots into his hands, and Cabot held them to his face, and took their scent. They were sip root. He was familiar with sip root for it is the active ingredient in slave wine. It is taken raw in the Barrens by the white female slaves of the Red Savages, unless it is decided that they are to be bred. In its raw, unconcentrated state the effects of the root last some months, but gradually dissipate. In the high cities the Caste of Physicians has produced a slave wine whose effects are terminated only by a counter substance, called the Releaser. Sip root is bitter to the taste, and slave wine is not sweetened either. The Releaser, however, is not only palatable, but aromatic and delicious. When it is given to the girl she may, to her dismay and misery, and perhaps shrieking for mercy, expect to be soon sent to the breeding sheds, to be chained and hooded, and crossed with a male slave, who is similarly hooded. Slaves, as other domestic animals, are bred according to the will of the masters. Cabot knelt his gifts, and gave them each a root, which they then, head down, shuddering, slowly, distastefully, chewed and swallowed.
 Kur of Gor   Book 28   Pages 183 - 184

Raz

[RAGNAR]

Yeah... what they said, and because I say so.

*Chuckles and plucks a feather.*

[Shadow duck]

smiles sweetly thank you Masters and Mistress and my dear sister for taking the time to consider these questions that cluttered my brain in truth I did know these answers but was looking for the complete explanation which you have supplied  I have more questions but will save them for when I can be more exact in my wording of them.  *rubbing her ruffled feathers back into some semblance of coverage she blushes a deeper shade of red then slips back to shadowlands (woozie vile) (blowing soft kisses into the winds to be distributed to those that want them) chanz