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« Reply #870 on: October 06, 2021, 07:52:31 PM »
Lol. Having worked on an army base for 10 years after 4 years army rotc etc. can only imagine the craziness at s port town during that time.

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« Reply #871 on: October 07, 2021, 12:33:50 AM »
...Practicing looking 'Stupid'.... :o

...In my real life, as an Attorney, Counselor, Politician...and Mother and Parent...I learned that looking 'stupid' often got me what I couldn't get if I rose up on my high heels and tried to intimidate the other side with my imposing expression...and I had a GOOD ONE!!!  (Both an "imposing" one, and a "stupid" one.   ;D )  My usual 'look' was relaxed, I wasn't a 'looker'...but was cute. 

...I spent a lot of money, and attended a two week intensive 'Jury Trial' Seminar when I began practicing Trial work, before that, I just created Corporations and Businesses...and got the IRS to rewrite a Regulation...a lot of businesses jumped on the loophole I discovered...and the IRS audited me for three years.  The IRS was  pissed.  Anyone who thinks that the Gov't is fair needs to wake up.  (I hired an Attorney to represent me...I would have LUNGED across the table at the Examiner...and probably landed a 'good one' on him, but would have had to pay a fine and spend a week in jail...in addition to taxes.  I did write our beloved Governmental IRS a very small check, as I discussed above...for all they worked.  *Shrugs*  "Taxable Income" has a variable meaning to me.  I was raised by an Accountant Father, and a Hispanic Mother, so I have an attitude, and numbers 'speak' to me, and they 'dance' when I want them to.)

...Anyway, back to looking 'stupid'.  During the Seminar, I was filmed as I practiced Direct and Cross Exam, and opening and closing statements.  I  would sit with an experienced Attorney Coach, and he would comment on how I conducted myself.  Several times, I would look at myself, and think..."I look REALLY STUPID!!!!"  My eyes would be wide, and my jaw was relaxed...but...I WASN'T DROOLING!!!!

...I had a number of drinks with the rest of the 'Student Trial Lawyers' that evening, after gobbling down two prime ribs...I eat to console myself...and thought about what I had seen.  I was being complimented, a lot, I had won my Moot Trial...but I kept thinking..."You looked really stupid."

...I calmed down over the rest of the weekend, and after drinking some wine, I thought, "What the Hell, you can't control your face very well, just try to speak well."

...I went on to have a very successful career as a Trial Attorney, and didn't think if I looked 'stupid' at times.  The Senior Partner of the Firm had me assist him in a complex, month long Jury Trial.  I made sure that I prepared the Exhibits, and would take copious notes.  I handled the smaller direct exams of our clients, and would assist with the important witnesses.  There was a TV crew during the closing arguments, and I helped the Partner prepare, and sat off to the side as he argued.  He was very eloquent, I had gotten him to accept some lines I wrote.  The TV showed parts of the Trial, we won, and parts of his closing argument.  He looked very Professional as he spoke, and there I was, in the background...

...LOOKING STUPID!!!   :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

...I almost died of laughter when I read the report that the Trial Reporter sent us, he had interviewed the Jury.  Several actually said that what affected them most, it was a close trial, was seeing me, looking 'sad and worried' (That expression is very close to my 'stupid' expression), during the closing arguments.

...But, that was an important lesson to me.  A Coach had told me, "Your MOST important witness is YOU!!!!  If the Jury likes and respects you, you will win unless the case goes completely off the rails...and NEVER try one if that has a good chance of happening.  Trials are expensive, you lose, your client is out of a lot of money and a business might close.  Just settle those close ones, no shame in that."

...I was subpoenaed to attend a Mediation, the Firm I had left was breaking up, and both sides wanted me to be a witness.  I didn't like either one, that is why I left...and  they didn't want to pay me a witness fee...so I just said very little, and looked "stupid" as they raged before the Mediator.  But, I was ROARING with laughter inside.   ;D

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« Reply #872 on: October 07, 2021, 01:05:15 AM »
...Making numbers 'Dance'...

...There is a joke that runs around CPA's, (Certified Public Accountants), and Attorneys.

...A man goes into the CPA's office, and asks, "What is two plus two?"  The CPA answers, "Four".  The man leaves.

...He goes into the Attorneys office, and asks, "What is two plus two?"  The Attorney answers, "Four".  The man leaves.

...The man then enters a CPA/Attorneys office, and asks, "What is two plus two?"  The CPA/Attorney closes the door, shutters the windows, turns down the lights, and whispers..."What do you want it to be?"    ;D

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« Reply #873 on: October 07, 2021, 03:23:25 PM »
...i need to be placed into a locked-down facility, for my OWN protection.   ::)

...I just got back from a walk, and I had had an ugly encounter, with...

...A CAT!!!!

...I am a very formidable woman, even in my weakened condition, so I don't put up with any disrespect.  Teenagers stay clear of me, any thug who tries to snatch my purse or my bucket of KFC will find himself on the ground, as I call the Police and chew on a wing, with my left foot on his neck

...I was walking back from the convenience store, holding a bag of 'goodies', and chewing on a candy bar...life was good.  *Sighs*  Then, came...

...THE CAT!!!!

...It was a big fat yellow tabby, and it curled up, and hissed at me, twitching its' tail, its green eyes narrowed...it was only about 6 feet away.  I stopped, and looked at it, and it hissed again. 

...I swallowed my mouthful of chocolate, cleared my throat...and...

...HISSED BACK AT IT!!!!

...It sat up, and ran towards a fence, and tried to crawl through a hole.  It was slightly stuck, and I shouted at it...

..."GET YOUR BUTT THROUGH, OR I WILL KICK YOU THROUGH... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

...It got through, and I pulled another candy bar from the bag and chewed on it as I resumed my walk.

...I IGNORED the man who was laughing his ass off...

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« Reply #874 on: October 07, 2021, 06:19:06 PM »
Onr lpok can change the course of a triel to be sure. Lol on tje cpa attorney. As for the cat, he was mot on his own territory and was trying to bluff you, your hiss showed him he could not do so, so he retreated. I had something similar with 2 dogs that approached me as I was at the end of our drive, they growled at me. Something inside told me to tell them this is not their home and to leave. I did so, they looked at me confused for a moment then I said go home and they took off. Same basic principle. They were trying to bluff me and I called them in it so they retreated.

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« Reply #875 on: October 07, 2021, 07:34:36 PM »
...Thank you, Nate,  :), I think you explained the cat.  I was chuckling as I ate the candy bar and thought, "No cat gonna push me around."

...Here is a wonderful piano work that I could play, it was the first Debussey work I studied, and I didn't like French Impressionist music.  The English title is 'The Engulfed Cathedral', and it tells a wonderful story.  I could play all of the notes, and my piano Professor actually grabbed my right shoulder during a lesson, and hauled me off of the bench, and set me aside, and shouted..."WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU...THIS MUSIC TELLS A STORY!!!!  YOU AREN'T TELLING THE STORY...YOU ARE JUST POUNDING THE KEYS!!!!  EVEN A MONKEY CAN DO THAT!!!!'  He then played the work...and it sank into my mind...and I got a lot of applause a few weeks later when I performed it at 'Solo Class'.

...https://youtu.be/cVMGwPDP-Yk

...((A Cathedral is sitting on the floor of the ocean, it decides to rise, and chimes its' bells.  The sea roils around it as it rises, chiming, and then...the Cross of the Steeple rises above the waves...and the organ begins playing, and the Cathedral gets above the waves.  The Cathedral settles down and stays above the waves, and then the spirits of the Monks emerge, and sing a plainchant.  When they are done, and enter their chambers, the Cathedral Bells ring...and the Cathedral slowly sinks back down...the sea comforting it.  It settles back down...the bells chime...and it gets quiet until it is time to rise again.))

...I broke a rule I usually had when I performed, I explained what the piece was about before I sat at the piano, and composed myself, and played the work.

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« Reply #876 on: October 07, 2021, 11:01:22 PM »
...A Class Action Lawsuit...and...I FINANCED IT!!!    ;D

...Seriously, as a young associate, I was tasked to assist the Senior Partner with a complex lawsuit, there were about 60 different sides, and so there was a 'shitload of attorneys...and...well...I guess that I counted as one, although I wasn't working the case.  The Senior Partner had me come with him to the Settlement Conference, and I listened closely to understand what was going on, but I was just a 'Go-fer'.  The Courtroom was filled with clients, all of the Attorneys were in the back area.  I sat near my Boss, and listened.  He would send me out to fetch items from our Office, it was two blocks away, so I would walk through the Courtroom where the Clients were, carrying my little briefcase, and return, carrying my little briefcase, and the Bailiff would let me into the back rooms. 

...This went on all morning, and into the afternoon...I kept leaving the Courtroom, and returning, always carrying my little briefcase.  In the Mid-afternoon, the Clients were getting tired, and one asked me when I walked in, carrying my little briefcase, "Hey, just who are YOU???"  I stopped, and looked at him, and said...

..."I am the Bag Lady"...

...and I let the Bailiff open the door to the back rooms.  The Bailiff had heard me, and was trying not to laugh too hard as I walked through.

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« Reply #877 on: October 08, 2021, 06:24:47 PM »
Anyone can learn to play the notes, one needs the spirit to actually play music. There is a definite difference. Lol on the courtroom pays to be in on the action. Always smile it makes people wonder what you are up to. As a witnesd and plantiff in a number of lawsuits, opposing attorneys hate me the ones on my side love me lol.

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« Reply #878 on: October 09, 2021, 12:32:17 AM »
...When I was, briefly, a 'Big Shot'... ;D

...I was building up a very lucrative business and tax law practice as a young associate attorney.  Being a Lawyer, and a CPA, gave me an advantage.  There were only a few of us in CA at that time, the two professions are different...and you have to pass two difficult tests to get both licenses.  I planned and created businesses, advised them, and stood in Tax Court and presented my cases.  I was charging my time at $450 an hour...and collecting it!   :)  Once, I was advising a businessman who was building a large community in the foothills, near Lake Tahoe, and I would drive up there from my home in the Valley.  Once, though, he called me, and said that I needed to meet him and others in Tahoe.  I told him, "Be there in about four hours."  He snorted, and said, "Get to the airport, I will send my helicopter."   :o

...I drove to the little terminal at the end of the local airport...there was a larger terminal where the passengers on jets would stay...parked my car, and went in.  I sat for about ten minutes, and then...A HELICOPTER LANDED!!!   ;D   A man in the terminal escorted me to the helicopter, the blades were still running, and I climbed in, and the pilot made sure that I was strapped in, and that my briefcase was fastened down, and we took off.

...Those damn things are NOISY, so I had large headphones strapped over my ears, and a mic was in front of my lips.  I spoke to the pilot a bit, but, mostly, I was looking around.  We landed about 40 minutes later, and my client was waiting with his Mercedes, and took me to where the meeting was. 

...We got the deals done, I saw why he wanted me there, important decisions were being made, and I was reading ream after ream of documents, and advising my client.  He signed the contract late in the evening, as I watched, and then he took me to a resort nearby.  We had a good dinner, with wine, and he said that he would have the helicopter take me back in the morning.   I am a normal female, and my hormones ACTED UP...I mean, here I was...away from my H...I had done a good job...and my client wasn't bad looking...and I had had some wine.   ::)  But, I stayed true to my marriage vows, and went into the room my client had rented for me, and slept alone.

...We had breakfast together...I did drink a little champagne...and the helicopter took me back home.  I was thinking, as I drove home, "You are going to bill a lot of time at $450 per hour for this, not a bad two days, the Firm will be pleased."  I expected that the Partners would encourage me to generate more business like that, word would get around, and more businessmen would seek my counsel...at $450 per hour.

...But, that GODDAMN JUNIOR PARTNER didn't like me.  I was assigned every 'shit job' that came up, and spent most of my time driving all over CA trying to collect judgements that goddamn INSURANCE COMPANIES had against little people.  We would just take a percentage of what we collected for that work, so my 'collections' went down the toilet.  The Senior Partner would yell at me, telling me that I wasn't bringing enough money into the Firm.  I would yell back at him, saying, "Let me work on my business and tax practice, I can collect a lot of money, as you saw, give the shit jobs to the new guy."  He would say, "We will lose our biggest clients if we don't try to collect those judgements, you are helping us retain those clients."  A number of times, after quizzing a person in a court ordered OEX, I would just walk out...I wasn't about to take what little money they had.  I had one OEX that I laughed about, on the drive home.  It was a late middle aged man, who was a retired military NonComm.  One line of questioning I had was about weapons, CA Law does state that a person can keep a shotgun and a rifle, but anything else can be collected to satisfy a judgement.  He described his weapons, and then looked at me, and said, "If you want to take my weapons, well, bring a Strike Force with you."  I laughed, and said, "I will tell the damn Insurance Company to leave you alone."  He laughed, too, and tossed me a $50 bill, and said, "Don't bother me again."

...I thought, "Screw the Insurance Company, and SCREW THAT GODDAMN JUNIOR PARTNER."  I bought myself a nice bracelet with the $50, and resigned from the damn Law Firm.

...I have never had a helicopter come to fetch me and take me somewhere on business, since then.  But, that was a blast...

...BEING A BIG SHOT... ;D

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« Reply #879 on: October 09, 2021, 06:19:16 PM »
Should have started your own firm and ran them out of business.

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« Reply #880 on: October 10, 2021, 01:38:36 PM »
...I think that you are correct about that, Nate, I might be sitting on my yacht in Monterrey Bay now, if I had had the confidence to start my own practice.  I could have worked out of my home until I built up the Practice, and then opened my own office and hired some smart kids to help me make money for me.   :) 

...Hey, an insight into attorneys...most of them ...

...DO NOT LIKE TRYING CASES.... :o :o :o :o :o

...Trials are expensive, and unpredictable.  There you are, in a very formal setting, trying to persuade 12 strangers to see things the way you want them to.  And you can never be very sure about what a witness will say, and you have the JUDGE watching your every move.  (Also, your client has some interest in what is going on).  We women have it worse than guys, we have to dress and do our hair and makeup in a way that makes us look dependable and professional.  Trial Coaches have always said that Jurors talk about the appearance of attorneys, as much as they talk about the evidence in a case.  One female juror asked me, after a two week trial, if I had more than two trial outfits.  I just smiled, said that I was poor, and just starting out, and would buy more clothes later.

...During my practice, I was surprised to see how many Plaintiff Attorneys would fold up their tent and accept my last offer the day before a trial was set to go.  I would have my briefcase packed, witnesses had been subpoenaed, and I had coached my client on what to expect.  I will admit that I was very nervous the first couple of Trials I had, but after that, any nervousness would disappear as soon as I walked through the little gate and sat at the table.  My mind would retreat into a space in my mind where the  only thing I saw was the Trial, and my nerves were under control.

...I also learned to 'size up' attorneys, and knew which ones would actually try a case, most would just settle.  There was one very distinguished Plaintiff's Firm that I respected, and they seemed to respect me, too.  Their offices were in an old, historic Mansion downtown, and it was well decorated.  We would tangle during discovery, but never did anything 'borderline' to each other.  We would get the facts out, and then settle, I KNEW that they would go to Trial...and they knew that I would, too.   :)  They hired a young attorney, and he was VERY aggressive during discovery, and was a bit rude to me.  We got to the Pretrial Conference, and suddenly, he calmed down, and accepted my offer.  Years later, the young attorney and I were having a drink after a Settlement Conference, and he told me that the Senior Partner had ordered him to accept my offer in that old case.  He laughed, and said, "Frank told me that you would kick my ass, and that the offer was very fair, and there were other things I could work on."

...So, if you ever need an attorney, especially in a personal injury case, be careful over who you select.  Most just want to settle a case, quickly, and may leave a lot of money on the table.

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« Reply #881 on: October 10, 2021, 07:41:23 PM »
Too true on lawyers not wanting to try cases. Only been in a courtroom 3 times and an arbitration oanel once.

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« Reply #882 on: October 13, 2021, 03:29:56 PM »
...Fucking Law Firms!!!!    :P :P :P :P   And MY NAME was SECOND on the letterhead of a very large firm.    :o

...My first career was as a CPA, and we had to fill out 'Daytimers' every day.  It was a preprinted sheet, with the times of day, and we would fill it out by writing in the clients name, and the time we had spent on an assignment.  The Bookkeeper would then use them to prepare the bills.  The Partners would review them, and a few times I was called in to explain why I had billed 2 hours on an assignment that should have taken 30 minutes.  I would explain that I had never seen the GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principals) that applied, and had had to do some reading.  He would 'write down' my daytimer, and usually say, "Good, at your level, make sure that what you do is correct, trying to fix something that is wrong is expensive, and it makes the Firm look incompetent."  He then winked at me, and said, "If you know that you will be getting an assignment that involves accounting that you haven't seen before, spend some time in our Library, after hours, and weekends, and read, on your own time.  We have to be fair to our clients."  So, I did so, and even went to the County Law Library late at night, and educated myself.   :)   That is when I decided to become a Lawyer, and spent 4 years going to night Law School, and was the VALEDICTORIAN!!!!  I would drag myself to the County Law Library late at night... :P...sign the Register at the Sheriffs Office...and use MY OWN KEY to get in.  The Sheriffs liked, and trusted me, and loaned me a key to keep on my keychain.  I had to turn it in when I changed Law Firms.

...When I joined my first Law Firm, we had to use daytimers.  The first few days, I filled them out as I had when I was an Accountant.  I got called to the JUNIOR PARTNERS OFFICE, and he told me to sit, and waved my daytimers at me, and demanded, "Do you have any idea what you are doing?"  I bristled, and said, "My times reported are correct, I have a clock on my wall, and on my desk...and a wristwatch... and I note when I start an assignment, and when I finish."

...He sneered at me, and said, "Let's see...10 minutes here...20 minutes there...and, and, oh look...you billed A FULL HOUR to this client!" I was getting angry, but was also a little scared, if I got fired for tangling with a Partner, word would get around, and I would never find another job at a reputable firm.  I would have had to join a 'back alley' Firm, and spend my days walking back and forth between the Office, the Courtroom, and the Jail...and working out Plea Bargains.  (Although that could have been MORE INTERESTING than reading the new IRS Regulations every month... :) )  He took out clean daytimer sheets, and rewrote my time, handed them to me, and shouted, "THIS IS HOW YOU BILL YOUR TIME!!!"  I looked them over, but nodded, and left his office and handed my 'New and CORRECT' daytimers to the bookkeeper.  I walked back to my office, my head troubled, I had just billed FOUR DAYS for TWO DAYS WORK!!!!

...I stayed for a few months, I REALLY needed the job, my H had lost his job as a data entry clerk, he kept making a lot of mistakes, so he was back at trying to find work at Bars.  I interviewed at three different Firms, and all three offered me jobs.  Two were in Business Law/Tax Practice, they were interested in my skills, and, well, despite my r/p, I am a nice, outgoing and calm person.  But, I was too run down to accept two of those jobs...I kept thinking that a Partner wouldn't like me, and my career would be over, regardless if the other Partners liked me.  I mean, when I left that Firm, several Partners took me to lunch, and said that I was doing very well, but, if the one Partner didn't like me, I would never reach Partnership, so the other Partners decided that it was best to urge me to leave...(One actually said..."We will fire you if you try to stay on, it would be more merciful"...it sunk into me, and so I left...and became a Partner in another Firm)

...I was actually smirking to myself, when that Firm broke up a few months after I left.  The JUNIOR PARTNER had broken it up, bragging, "We took the best, and left the rest."  He had had to be hauled out of the Courtroom, because he was shouting, hollaring, and yelling so much.

...That Junior Partner had a screw loose, he wanted EVERYONE to suck up to him, even the Senior Partner.  He had a 'lap dog' Associate that he favored, and pampered.  That Associate couldn't  'Motion himself' out of a toilet stall, the GD JP (Junior Partner) would task me with helping the guy.  I would do the work, he would put his name on it, and the JP would brag how much he had found this person, and mentored him to become a formidable Trial Attorney.  The 'lap dog' encountered me years later, I filed an Answer to a complaint he had filed, and he called me, and said..."Let's talk settlement, my client likes your client, let's not make them spend a lot of money."  I just said, "We made our one, and ONLY offer, and he is ready for a trial...which will be expensive, but he has a LOT of money...and I haven't had a Jury Trial this year, I need to stay in practice."

...The 'lap dog' accepted our offer the next morning. 

...Again, there are JP's and 'lap dogs' all over the Law Community.  Most are nice people, but are out of their depth.  They will talk big, but fold when they get challenged.  That JP LOST a lot of cases and Motions, despite how much he bragged.  Late at night, I would be in my office, working on a Tax case, and I would hear the JP in the Senior Partners office.  The JP would be shouting, and ALMOST SOBBING as he described how he wasn't getting his way in a trial.  I was astounded...I mean...he was an adult, and if you want to be a Trial Attorney, well...get ready to be 'F----d'.  The other side isn't going to play fair...a witness will go sideways...and the Judge WILL rule against you at times.  I would get back to my office when my Trial wasn't going well, close my door, and drink a small glass of wine to relax, and think, and then open my door and get coffee as I planned for the next day.  I never walked into the Senior Partners office and whined, if he asked me about my trial, I would tell him what was happening.  A few times, I did ask for counsel in a difficult situation, but I wasn't whining...I just knew that I was in a Trial...and 'Things' would happen.  We would sit, and discuss what to do, and I would go back to my office.

... :)   So, that is why, when I advised 4-H, I just listed my CPA on my applications...NO ONE wants an attorney speaking to the Youth. 

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« Reply #883 on: October 13, 2021, 05:06:15 PM »
..."Robocop" is UPON US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

...Robot dog Officers will be let loose on us, by the beloved Liberals....

...https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42717/robot-dogs-can-now-have-6-5mm-assault-rifles-mounted-on-their-backs

...I will walk across the 'Stay off this grass' section in the local park, and when one of those 'dogs' pads up to me, and says, "Human, get off the grass", I will say, "Go eat the pile of tin cans at your kennel"...and get BLASTED INTO 837 PIECES!!!  I will appear before St. Peter, TOTALLY CONFUSED, and say,

..."Not sure how to explain this..."

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« Reply #884 on: October 13, 2021, 06:36:42 PM »
...Liberals...*LOL*...They should ALL just be placed in an enclave, and be left to fend for themselves.

...SF, the Home to 'Defund the Police', and 'Do not prosecute Criminals', is losing six Walgreen Stores.  The stores can't stay open, because thieves walk in, fill shopping bags with stuff, and just walk out.  They can't be arrested, because it is just a 'Property Crime'.  The Mayor is now begging the stores to stay in SF, but they are leaving.  Shoplifting is VERY common in small businesses, and they are closing.  When I was younger, shoplifters were arrested, taken to jail, and had to post bail to get out.  Now, the Police just hand over a citation, and release them.  So, the criminals just laugh, and find another store to steal from.

...Liberals are MORONS!!!  They claim to be compassionate, and that they understand people better than we 'Unwashed'.

...Well, the Liberals have NO COMPASSION for the man or woman who have their life savings invested in a small business, and have to go bankrupt because of the criminals.  The Liberals also have no perception of the 'criminal mind'.  A criminal will smile, and speak well, and cry over the state of the poor, and then laugh as he lifts your wallet, or steals a pouch of money that is meant for the poor.

...So, the residents of SF will have to find other stores to buy what they need, and poor people who were getting discounts on prescription drugs will have to try to find somewhere else to get what they need to stay alive.

...But, *Sighs*, the people of SF voted the politicians in, and they were the 'Privileged Group' who live in gated communities or high class residential areas.  So, the 'middle class' are moving out, they can sell their houses for a LOT of money.  Every day, there are articles in the Bay Area newspapers about long time businesses closing, and the drop in population.  The TV News also show poor women crying, because they are losing their jobs and/or have to find somewhere else to fill their prescriptions.

...Liberals....

...BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(