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*takin a deep breath*.. okies here goes.. been thinkin on this for awhile and was just wonderin

How is an Ubar chosen and is this a life long postion?? like a King??? What happens if something happens to the Ubar does the Ubarra then rule or is a new Ubar chossen or named or how ever it is done. and what happens to the Ubars postions do they follow Him to his Pyre? or do they become the posstion of the Ubbara or the new Ubar??

Just curiouse..

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Re: i have a question.. might sound silly but.. lookin for answers..
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2006, 05:06:48 PM »
"Ubar" (supposedly pronounced you-bar rather than oooo-bar, according to ol' JN) means "war chief."  Literally -- at least so far as cities are concerned -- a Ubar is supposed to be the head honcho only when a cunning military leader is needed.  Otherwise, cities are run by an Administrator.  Marlenus of Ar, Ubar of Ubars, was actually overthrown because he refused to step down in a time of peace.  Some considered this decision to be the mark of a born leader; others called him a tyrant, a dictator, a power-hungry warlord. 

But let us asume that a war between cities goes on for decades, and that one Ubar must succeed another.  The process appears to follow the rights of heredity -- even if the Ubar only has a daughter.  Before Marlenus disowned Talena, Tarl Cabot dreams of a (re-)Companionship with her.  Tarl reflects, over and over again, that such a Companionship would ensure his wealth and power; that, through Talena, he could one day be the Ubar of Ar.  We are also given the case of Henrius Sevarius of Port Kar, a teenaged Ubar.  Apparently, Henrius' father experienced an untimely death, and the title of Ubar fell to Henrius.  Since Henruis was not old enough to have produced heirs, Henrius' head advisor-dude tried to assassinate Henrius and secure to the title of Ubar for himself. 

So, city Ubarates DO seem to follow much the same rules of heredity and succession as that of a King's crown.  Administrators, on the other hand, are elected by the people, much like Presidents.

However, Wagon Peoples don't seem to have any such thing as an Administrator.  Only Ubars are mentioned.  We also know that Kamchak took over when his father, Kutaituchik, became too old, fat, and kanda-addicted to lead the Tuchuks.  It would then seem that a Ubarate ALWAYS decends through one's children, if there are any, even if there are only daughters.

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Re: i have a question.. might sound silly but.. lookin for answers..
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2006, 06:27:40 PM »
-hopes Rags and Terran both live long happy healthy lives with a mhurr about Tarl-

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Re: i have a question.. might sound silly but.. lookin for answers..
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2006, 08:05:15 PM »
aye Mistress chanz also hopes this too ...

thank you sister for answering... i know i ask some silly questions but i thought these were good things to know.. to find a book on Gor is next to findin gold here latly... soooo and my collection that i had got wrecked in the storage unit.. *soaked and ruined pout*...

no disrespect is intended by these questions is just something i have wondered about..
i have other questions just not sure yet as to how to word them...

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Re: i have a question.. might sound silly but.. lookin for answers..
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2006, 07:10:32 AM »
sis, I think your questions are wonderful and they help us all to learn more about our culture....*hugs*

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Re: i have a question.. might sound silly but.. lookin for answers..
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2006, 02:58:54 PM »
I agree with kels.  Yours are WONDERFUL questions!

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Re: i have a question.. might sound silly but.. lookin for answers..
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2006, 03:37:43 AM »
okies.. i remember readin some where but can't remember where.. *grin*.. that there was a meetin of the wagon peoples to choose an Ubar of Ubars.. now what my question is would it be right to say that Master Ragnar is this Ubar?? and what of other wagon peoples as i do not remember seein other wagon camps of late mostly citys ..

now i know that a FW can be come a slave but can a slave be come a FW?? i thought this had happened in a book but not sure and if so would she then have all the rights an freedoms of a FW or would she return to the collar. I think i remember someone from our home who did this but i might be wrong?

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Re: i have a question.. might sound silly but.. lookin for answers..
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2006, 05:10:16 AM »
The Ubar of Ubars was elected by a council of Haruspexes from all four tribes who took omens in the blood of bosk and the livers of verr.  All mysticism aside, the "omens" usually said what the Haruspexes wished for them to say.  The Ubar of Ubars would be the strongest, wisest leader with the most daring tribe of people.  (And although I personally believe that fits Master Ubar, there has been no official role-play of omen-taking and Ubar-San electing.  We must then assume that there is no Ubar-San at this time.)

As for slaves becoming free women -- yep, it happened!  And sometimes, a free woman became a slave and was later returned to her free status because she showed herself to be a remarkable, dignified, magnificant woman worthy of the honor of Companionship and bearing children.  Examples from the books, off the top of my head:

- Earth-born Elizabeth Cardwell becomes Kamchak's Vella, is gifted to Tarl Cabot, and is freed by him.  She later falls slave again, once and for all.
- Rich Turian merchant Aprhis is won by Kamchak on the Plains of a Thousand Stakes.  She is later freed by him to become his Ubara-San.
- Earth-born Beverly is freed by earth-born Jason once he finds his old love interest in chains on Gor.  She falls slave again through her own stupidity, and he knows better than to free such a lovely piece of slave flesh when he finds her a second time.
- Panther girl Verna falls slave to Marlenus, and he frees her to once again hunt the forests.
- Sexy thief Tina falls slave when she is caught stealing, and Tarl buys her.  She is later freed by Tarl and becomes the unofficial companion of a handsome young man.  (One could call her his "woman" since they were very much in love, but there was no official Companionship.) They head to Port Kar, land of no Companionship, where she can join a thieves guild.
- Panther girl Grenna falls slave to Tarl Cabot.  She is later freed and becomes the unofficial Companion/woman of Rim, and they head off into the forests to hunt together.
- Marlenus' daughter, Talena, fell slave and changed hands many times.  Tarl Cabot later freed her -- and she totally snubbed him.  At the end of the series, thus far, she had become Tarl's secret slave -- a woman who wears a collar under her Robes of Concealment.  This way, he could use her status for his own good AND control her every action.  Political power aside, Tarl made the decision veryt much out of revenge... *G*

So, in general, most slaves-turned-FW DO return to slavery.  But if they do, it's not because they have less rights and freedoms than someone who started out a free woman, or a free woman who had never been a slave.  It's because they realize that they are more fulfilled as slaves and desire to be at the feet of men.  Then they usually go out of their way to put themselves in a situation where they become collar bait.

ducky, I'm proud of you.  These are some AWESOME questions!
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Re: i have a question.. might sound silly but.. lookin for answers..
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2006, 05:45:10 AM »
*blushes a deep red colour*.. thank you sis..
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